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okay, as i said earlier, no matter what i say, i will never, with my poor command of the english language, but able to say what i want to say, and get it across as intended without someone reading me wrong- the inherent nature of a forum. That being said, and hopefully everyone accepting (god forbid) i'm going to summarize (why? it's due to my inherent conceited arrogant nature cause i want to CONTROL the whole thread and have the last say...hahahaha..)
My biggest point about all of what i'm about to say it that IT'S ALL ABOUT PERCEPTION.
The thread started with the 'immature' advertising- i don't give a hoot one way or another about this ie no big opinion- i felt amused then thought, yep, some will be dishevelled about it. Then came the comment about the Porsche owners being able buy what they want and GTR owners not. I state it exactly this way rather than quote, cause this is MY PERCEPTION of what was said. Say ALL YOU WANT but you can't tell me how i perceive it. I don't know the author from a hole in the wall, but to me it came off as arrogant. Again, MY PERCEPTION. The author is probably a great guy and passionate about cars. I rarely post but chose to make a comment because of my perception of arrogance. The thread has exploded and yes, as some say, is way too long, boring, ridiculous etc. So, i'll make more obvious statements- all MY perception : People love cars. People, like me (i mean this about myself), are shallow in this life, and need to buy **** to make living tolerable. Oh, i'm having a bad day? .....no problem cause wow MY CAR is the ****. I am conceited. I am arrogant. I have the best car. My car is better than yours. I don't have any problem saying this because it's true about me. Being on a forum allows me to, in theory, amplify this (what many would call pathetic) personality trait. Sure, the forum is GREAT for getting information and sharing the joys of cars, but more often than not, it is a way for people to show off, often cloaked in a bunch of words and subjects. So there are many many comments by all that are absolutely true and spot on. AT the end of the day i only wish that when someone is called on something that instead of heading off in 6 directions with absolutely great answers about OTHER STUFF, that they might humbly come back and actually answer to original call and admit that they may have said something that was PERCEIVED BY THE MAJORITY to be arrogant.
ANd just so there is a REDUCED risk of misunderstanding - my capital letters are not 'yelling', just trying to accent the right words for meaning, and I'm NOT pissed off in any way- just a bit frustrated only for the sake of frustrations sake...... AND most people on this site are WAY SMARTER than me in car **** and in no way am i arrogant about the actual information- just completely full of myself as a human being.
THat said i will sign off by saying i just got off playing need for speed on play station where even though MONEY WAS NO ISSUE, i chose the GTR HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.....AND i spent a **** load of money on the steering wheel and custom seat.
So, do i win???? (cringe)

 

ps if you say bad things about me i'm gonna have hurt feelings and it'll cost me money for counselling (poor self esteem) and that will take away from my mods (which i have none)

 

Your next cross-shopping purchase is inline with mine...

I'm going to add to the GT3, a Carrera 2/2S, C5/C6/C5Z/C6Z, Mustang GT, Boss 302, Miata, XKR, DB9, and almost everything in between.



I'm fickle. The only constant is the fact that the GT-R will remain my daily/weekend driver.

 

...Brilliant!

 

Sticky?

 

It looks more like you said this -
When 996 Turbos are going for high $30k's, and 996 C2's are going for low $20k's, yeah, I consider that inexpensive compared to a mid-$50k GT-R (leaving 997's out of this for now, because it was irrelevant to my point).

Sounds like GT-R owners had a choice, and opted for a GT-R instead of a Porsche (if you see this differently, please tell me where my math is wrong).

Yeah, I said,"New may cost a little bit." Because they cost more, on average than a used car.

Show me anywhere it appears I have a sore point about financial status (and show me anywhere I mentioned this - anywhere).

The reasonI'm considering a C2 for beating on the track, is they are much less expensive to maintain, and they can be quite fun (read into that what you will).

If you'd like to see evidence of my clairvoyance, I can forward you a link to the post I made a week ago stating the points that would be made here. This thread brings along nothing new. Just everything rehashed differently. I actually appreciate that the mods left this open (that way everybody here can get it out of their system, and not clutter up other threads).

 

Nice

 

why are you comparing a car thats 2 yrs old to cars that are over 10 years old? its apples to oranges.

 

Because all I specified was "911".

We could compare a 2007 C2 for $45k, or a 2009 (released in 2008) GT-R for $55k. So my point is valid there as well... But I was merely stating that the depreciation for the 911's makes them quite affordable.

Did somebody opt to purchase a more expensive GT-R than a used 911? Yes. That's as far as my point went. I'm not trying to compare any performance between a C2 and GT-R (these cars aren't even in the same class, and it would be unfair).

I guess I just disagreed with Speed21's perspective that Porsche owners CHOOSE them because they have the finances to do so.

My neighbor (who only takes his 911 out about once a month), has a 996 C2, that he purchased for $30k, and he wishes he had the money to purchase a GT-R. So not only did I provide examples to counter Speed21's point, but I also have an example as well.

 

its still not apples to apples. you should compare the an 09 gtr to an 09 911 or 911s in order for it to be apples to apples.

and that whole neighbor thing, you are using heuristics to prove your point. but, heuristics is not scientific. its biased and skewed. nothing against you personally, but thats just the general nature of heuristics.

plus, you are dealing with used cars, when i think ppl are trying to compare a new turbo to a new gtr. so again, you arent comparing apples to apples with price.

 

Sorry. I'll try to consider everyone's agenda when making a brief point in passing.

You asked a question, I answered it, thoroughly. Speed21 attempted to use heuristics, starting this whole downward spiral into uselessness.

 

Holy crap.

Dude, when your ego deflates, please come back here and feel free to discuss. You are missing every single point I've made.

It appears your anger is blinding you. If you really did read posts of mine in the past you'd see exactly why I'm looking for another track beater.

There are absolutely no problems with tracking the GT-R, other than the maintenance of expensive rotors, tires, fluids, etc... The rotors are immensely cheaper on a 911 C2, for example. Less fluids + lighter car = cheaper maintenance (for those 'poor' folk like me) = more times at the track. Nowhere did I state I wouldn't track the GT-R anymore (going next month again, in fact), just that I would use the 911 more.

You keep mentioning this 'badge' (funny - I said you would). I posted this on Feb 19th:
Every other forum member has seen this many times before. And I was referring to everybody's car as just a damn car. It isn't worth the concern. You appear quite defensive about this topic, for some reason.

Porsches can cost a little bit more (compared to a GT-R). This is obvious (and can be proven with new MSRP sticker values). I'm not sure why you're even disputing this, unless you're getting offended by the term "little bit" (everything is relative). I'm going to go off on a limb (this wasn't discussed), and suggest that you purchased your 911 new. It would explain a lot to me.

 

ehm, no . im comparing times and times only ! not cars , stating that two seconds difference is huge around the track . and just that .

so relax , take a deep breath , and dont let your panties get all bunched up

 

So your comparing times of cars, but not the cars?

Could you explain to me the difference between comparing a GT-R's time, and a GT2RS's time as opposed to comparing a ZR-1's time vs a Mustang GT's time.

I was only comparing the times and times only! not cars.