tt S vs 2012 GT-R
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03-12-2011 | 01:41 PM
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Thread cleaned up. I'm sick and tired of the trolling that's going on in here. If you aren't interested in having polite, healthy discussions...don't post. The next time I see a troll post, the member who posted it will be temp-banned.
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03-12-2011 | 03:34 PM
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Laguna Seca, USA (3602 m)
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:37.40
5. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:37.80
6. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.52
7. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89
8. Porsche 997 Turbo S 1:40.11
9. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20
10. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21
11. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45
12. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74
13. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75
14. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90
15. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96
Explain this. Does independent testing debunk Nissan's advertising and justify the claims that the ring cars were setup to run at the ring with special tires and who knows what else? I am totally impressed with the Mustang Boss 302. It spanked the GTR. Don't get me wrong, I think the GTR is a good car, I just don't think it is the wonder car that Nissan Advertising made it out to be. And I do think that the GTR sales would have tripled if they had offered a 6 speed manual car for less money and weighing a bit less.
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:37.40
5. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:37.80
6. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.52
7. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89
8. Porsche 997 Turbo S 1:40.11
9. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20
10. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21
11. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45
12. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74
13. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75
14. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90
15. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96
Explain this. Does independent testing debunk Nissan's advertising and justify the claims that the ring cars were setup to run at the ring with special tires and who knows what else? I am totally impressed with the Mustang Boss 302. It spanked the GTR. Don't get me wrong, I think the GTR is a good car, I just don't think it is the wonder car that Nissan Advertising made it out to be. And I do think that the GTR sales would have tripled if they had offered a 6 speed manual car for less money and weighing a bit less.
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03-12-2011 | 04:54 PM
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3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:37.40
5. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:37.80
6. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.52
7. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89
8. Porsche 997 Turbo S 1:40.11
9. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20
10. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21
11. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45
12. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74
13. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75
14. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90
15. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96
Explain this. Does independent testing debunk Nissan's advertising and justify the claims that the ring cars were setup to run at the ring with special tires and who knows what else? I am totally impressed with the Mustang Boss 302. It spanked the GTR. Don't get me wrong, I think the GTR is a good car, I just don't think it is the wonder car that Nissan Advertising made it out to be. And I do think that the GTR sales would have tripled if they had offered a 6 speed manual car for less money and weighing a bit less.
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:37.40
5. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:37.80
6. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.52
7. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89
8. Porsche 997 Turbo S 1:40.11
9. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20
10. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21
11. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45
12. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74
13. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75
14. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90
15. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96
Explain this. Does independent testing debunk Nissan's advertising and justify the claims that the ring cars were setup to run at the ring with special tires and who knows what else? I am totally impressed with the Mustang Boss 302. It spanked the GTR. Don't get me wrong, I think the GTR is a good car, I just don't think it is the wonder car that Nissan Advertising made it out to be. And I do think that the GTR sales would have tripled if they had offered a 6 speed manual car for less money and weighing a bit less.
Anyway, there are 40 independent tests listed below. The pre-2012 GT-R is faster than the 997.1 and 997.2 Turbo in 34 of them (85% success rate). Keep in mind that the GT-R was running run-flats in ALL of these tests. Based on the below data, I'd say it's quite probable that the GT-R (or the driver of the GT-R) simply had a bad day at Laguna Seca.
As far as the Boss 302 goes, I'm impressed with it as well. But I think as we see more data from it over time, it will show itself to be similar to the E92 M3.....consistently a step behind the 997.1 Turbo, and even further behind the GT-R.
I hope this helps answer your questions.
GT-R vs 997.1 Turbo:
997 Turbo GT-R
Nordschleife 7:38.00 7:26.70
Tsukuba 1:04.12 1:01.76
Hockenheim Short 1:11.90 1:10.70
Vairano Handling Course 1:19.96 1:16.69
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (2004 - 06/2008) 1:23.55 1:21.70
Sugo 1:38.74 1:33.76
Willow Springs 1:38.53 1:31.23
Laguna Seca 1:39.89 1:40.45
Virginia International Raceway 3:05.80 2:55.60
Buttonwillow Configuration 13 2:02.10 1:56.90
Autozeitung test track 1:38.10 1:35.60
Balocco 2:51.64 2:48.73
Contidrom 1:31.75 1:30.95
SportAuto wet handling test 1:31.60 1:32.40
Rockingham 1:23.20 1:22.20
Hockenheim GP 2:19.94 vw 2:17.20 vw
Twin Ring Motegi (Conf. 2) 2:11.63 2:07.00
Bedford Autodrome West Circuit (post 06/2008) 1:24.10 1:23.60
Willow Springs - Streets of Willow 1:30.69 1:25.09
Inta 1:09.60 1:08.52
Sachsenring 1:37.99 1:37.36
Silverstone 2:11.20 2:10.30
Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:14.40 1:10.10
Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:11.50 1:14.20
ADM Miachkovo 1:50.65 1:49.16
GT-R vs 997.2 Turbo (facelift)
GT-R 997 Turbo facelift
Nordschleife 7:26.70 7:47.00
Tsukuba 1:01.76 1:03.45
Hockenheim Short 1:10.70 1:11.50
Willow Springs 1:31.23 1:33.31
Laguna Seca 1:40.45 1:37.80
Autozeitung test track 1:35.60 1:36.90
Balocco 2:48.73 2:49.40 w
Contidrom 1:30.95 1:31.00
SportAuto wet handling test 1:32.40 1:37.40
Sachsenring 1:37.36 1:36.84
Jarama 1:52.00 1:45.11
Fuji Speedway (post 2005) 1:53.22 1:54.20
Spring Mountain (Radical loop section) 1:20.90 1:21.30
Castle Combe 1:14.60 1:14.90
Haute Saintonge 1:01.06 1:01.57
Kyalami (new) 1:52.80 1:54.80
Ring Knutstrop (Conf 2) 1:10.80 1:21.90 w
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03-12-2011 | 05:10 PM
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How do we know those are independent, Is there any info that those were done by true non partisans? Way to many discrepancies on a car that should be the most consistent of all since it does all the work for you. Scott, Even a true independent test from evo magazine comparing the GTR to the 997 GT2 on a mildly wet nurburgring, which should have favored the GTR, the win went to the "widowmaker" GT2. The GTR is definitely a great machine. In fact for an average to less skilled driver it is likely the fastest ride. I would probably be faster in it than a turbo. This is an old argument and we have been on it over and over again. It was probably pointless of me to even post, but like HC, I will never believe the posted times until I see it for myself in a dealer purchased car.
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See for yourself, I guess. The Laguna Seca results you posted are listed as well....
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...ssan_gt-r.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso..._facelift.html
Way to many discrepancies on a car that should be the most consistent of all since it does all the work for you.
Scott, Even a true independent test from evo magazine comparing the GTR to the 997 GT2 on a mildly wet nurburgring, which should have favored the GTR, the win went to the "widowmaker" GT2.
It was probably pointless of me to even post, but like HC, I will never believe the posted times until I see it for myself in a dealer purchased car.
P.S. - You don't make a good troll.
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03-12-2011 | 06:08 PM
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I will. I think for the next few years (or longer) I'll always have a GT-R in my garage, but I definitely want another P-car as well. Actually, I think a 7GT3 would compliment my R1K very well...
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03-12-2011 | 06:47 PM
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7gt3 will definitely do. If I win the power ball, I'll get you one
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Comparing the Turbo S to the 2012 GT-R from a purely performance perspective...
....here's the Car and Driver Lightning Lap results from 2006 to the most recent event in 2011. The Turbo S was the 2nd fastest Porsche ever (only 1.6 seconds behind the 2011 GT3 RS!), but both were slower than the 2009 GT-R. The 997.1TT's time is in 36th place.
Two things immediately come to mind when I look at this list: I'm very impressed by how much faster the Turbo 'S' is compared to the 997.1TT, and I'm very curious where the 2012 GT-R will fall out when they finally test it.
1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
4 2:49.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 LL3 2/10
5 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
6 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
7 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (*with Z07 Performance Package and Carbon Package) LL3 2/11
8 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
9 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
14 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10
15 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11
16 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07
17 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10
18 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08
19 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10
20 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06
21 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06
22 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08
23 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06
24 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07
25 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07
26 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11
27 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08
28 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
29 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
30 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07
31 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10
32 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11
33 3:05.6 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 11/08
34 3:05.6 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S LL3 2/10
35 3:05.8 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL3 2/10
36 3:05.8 PORSCHE 911 TURBO LL4 8/07
37 3:05.9 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 8/07
38 3:06.4 JAGUAR XKR LL3 2/10
39 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG LL2 11/08
40 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ E63 AMG LL3 2/11
41 3:07.4 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/10
42 3:08.3 LOTUS EVORA LL3 2/11
43 3:08.4 AUDI TTS LL2 2/10
44 3:08.6 FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 LL2 2/11
45 3:08.9 JAGUAR XFR LL2 2/11
46 3:09.2 LOTUS ELISE LL2 11/06
47 3:09.3 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/06
48 3:09.5 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL2 11/06
49 3:09.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS LL2 2/10
50 3:10.0 BMW M6 LL3 11/06
51 3:10.5 BMW 335i COUPE LL2 8/07
52 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
53 3:10.8 AUDI S4 LL2 2/10
54 3:11.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 11/06
55 3:11.0 AUDI RS4 LL3 8/07
56 3:11.7 BMW Z4 M COUPE LL2 8/07
57 3:12.0 NISSAN NISMO 370Z LL2 2/10
58 3:12.5 NISSAN 350Z TRACK LL1 11/06
59 3:12.5 FORD MUSTANG V-6 LL1 2/11
60 3:13.0 CHEVROLET COBALT SS LL1 11/08
61 3:13.3 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 2/10
62 3:13.3 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION MR LL2 11/08
63 3:13.5 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION IX MR LL1 11/06
64 3:13.7 BMW 135i COUPE LL2 11/08
65 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
66 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
67 3:14.0 LEXUS IS F LL2 11/08
68 3:14.6 AUDI S5 LL2 11/08
69 3:14.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 LL1 2/10
70 3:15.0 HONDA S2000 CR LL2 11/08
71 3:15.7 PONTIAC SOLSTICE GXP LL1 8/07
72 3:16.0 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 8/07
73 3:16.2 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 2/10
74 3:16.3 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT8 LL2 11/08
75 3:16.5 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX SEDAN LL1 2/11
76 3:16.6 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX HATCHBACK LL1 2/10
77 3:16.6 LOTUS ELISE SC LL2 11/08
78 3:16.7 MAZDA RX-8 R3 LL2 2/11
79 3:17.1 MINI JOHN COOPER WORKS LL1 2/10
80 3:17.5 INFINITI G37 COUPE SPORT LL2 11/08
81 3:18.2 DODGE CHARGER SRT8 LL2 11/06
82 3:19.0 MAZDA RX-8 LL1 11/06
83 3:19.0 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI HATCHBACK LL2 11/08
84 3:19.3 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkVI LL2 2/10
85 3:20.6 CHEVROLET COBALT SS SUPERCHARGED LL1 11/06
86 3:20.8 DODGE CALIBER SRT4 LL1 11/08
87 3:20.9 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 11/06
88 3:21.8 VOLKSWAGEN R32 LL2 11/08
89 3:22.9 MINI COOPER S LL1 8/07
90 3:24.8 HONDA CIVIC Si MUGEN LL2 11/08
91 3:25.1 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkV LL1 11/06
92 3:26.5 HONDA CIVIC Si COUPE LL1 11/06
93 3:26.6 VOLVO C30 VERSION 2.0 LL1 11/08
94 3:29.3 MAZDA MX-5 MIATA LL1 11/06
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....here's the Car and Driver Lightning Lap results from 2006 to the most recent event in 2011. The Turbo S was the 2nd fastest Porsche ever (only 1.6 seconds behind the 2011 GT3 RS!), but both were slower than the 2009 GT-R. The 997.1TT's time is in 36th place.
Two things immediately come to mind when I look at this list: I'm very impressed by how much faster the Turbo 'S' is compared to the 997.1TT, and I'm very curious where the 2012 GT-R will fall out when they finally test it.
1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
4 2:49.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 LL3 2/10
5 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
6 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
7 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (*with Z07 Performance Package and Carbon Package) LL3 2/11
8 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
9 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
14 2:57.6 ARIEL ATOM 3 LLU 2/10
15 2:58.0 MERCEDES-BENZ SLS AMG LL4 2/11
16 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07
17 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10
18 2:59.0 NISSAN GT-R (all-season tires) LL3 11/08
19 2:59.5 AUDI R8 5.2 FSI LL4 2/10
20 3:00.7 FORD GT LL4 11/06
21 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06
22 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08
23 3:01.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 11/06
24 3:01.8 PORSCHE 911 GT3 LL3 8/07
25 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07
26 3:03.8 PORSCHE BOXSTER SPYDER LL3 2/11
27 3:04.0 CADILLAC CTS-V SEDAN LL2 11/08
28 3:04.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/11
29 3:04.2 CADILLAC CTS-V COUPE LL3 2/11
30 3:04.5 LOTUS EXIGE S LL3 8/07
31 3:05.4 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 2/10
32 3:05.4 LEXUS IS F LL2 2/11
33 3:05.6 BMW M3 COUPE LL2 11/08
34 3:05.6 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA S LL3 2/10
35 3:05.8 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL3 2/10
36 3:05.8 PORSCHE 911 TURBO LL4 8/07
37 3:05.9 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 8/07
38 3:06.4 JAGUAR XKR LL3 2/10
39 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ C63 AMG LL2 11/08
40 3:06.5 MERCEDES-BENZ E63 AMG LL3 2/11
41 3:07.4 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 2/10
42 3:08.3 LOTUS EVORA LL3 2/11
43 3:08.4 AUDI TTS LL2 2/10
44 3:08.6 FORD MUSTANG GT 5.0 LL2 2/11
45 3:08.9 JAGUAR XFR LL2 2/11
46 3:09.2 LOTUS ELISE LL2 11/06
47 3:09.3 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/06
48 3:09.5 PORSCHE CAYMAN S LL2 11/06
49 3:09.5 CHEVROLET CAMARO SS LL2 2/10
50 3:10.0 BMW M6 LL3 11/06
51 3:10.5 BMW 335i COUPE LL2 8/07
52 3:10.6 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION SE LL2 2/11
53 3:10.8 AUDI S4 LL2 2/10
54 3:11.0 FORD MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 LL2 11/06
55 3:11.0 AUDI RS4 LL3 8/07
56 3:11.7 BMW Z4 M COUPE LL2 8/07
57 3:12.0 NISSAN NISMO 370Z LL2 2/10
58 3:12.5 NISSAN 350Z TRACK LL1 11/06
59 3:12.5 FORD MUSTANG V-6 LL1 2/11
60 3:13.0 CHEVROLET COBALT SS LL1 11/08
61 3:13.3 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 2/10
62 3:13.3 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION MR LL2 11/08
63 3:13.5 MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION IX MR LL1 11/06
64 3:13.7 BMW 135i COUPE LL2 11/08
65 3:13.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 R-SPEC LL1 2/11
66 3:13.8 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI SEDAN LL2 2/11
67 3:14.0 LEXUS IS F LL2 11/08
68 3:14.6 AUDI S5 LL2 11/08
69 3:14.8 HYUNDAI GENESIS COUPE 3.8 LL1 2/10
70 3:15.0 HONDA S2000 CR LL2 11/08
71 3:15.7 PONTIAC SOLSTICE GXP LL1 8/07
72 3:16.0 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 8/07
73 3:16.2 MAZDASPEED 3 LL1 2/10
74 3:16.3 DODGE CHALLENGER SRT8 LL2 11/08
75 3:16.5 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX SEDAN LL1 2/11
76 3:16.6 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX HATCHBACK LL1 2/10
77 3:16.6 LOTUS ELISE SC LL2 11/08
78 3:16.7 MAZDA RX-8 R3 LL2 2/11
79 3:17.1 MINI JOHN COOPER WORKS LL1 2/10
80 3:17.5 INFINITI G37 COUPE SPORT LL2 11/08
81 3:18.2 DODGE CHARGER SRT8 LL2 11/06
82 3:19.0 MAZDA RX-8 LL1 11/06
83 3:19.0 SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STI HATCHBACK LL2 11/08
84 3:19.3 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkVI LL2 2/10
85 3:20.6 CHEVROLET COBALT SS SUPERCHARGED LL1 11/06
86 3:20.8 DODGE CALIBER SRT4 LL1 11/08
87 3:20.9 FORD MUSTANG GT LL1 11/06
88 3:21.8 VOLKSWAGEN R32 LL2 11/08
89 3:22.9 MINI COOPER S LL1 8/07
90 3:24.8 HONDA CIVIC Si MUGEN LL2 11/08
91 3:25.1 VOLKSWAGEN GTI MkV LL1 11/06
92 3:26.5 HONDA CIVIC Si COUPE LL1 11/06
93 3:26.6 VOLVO C30 VERSION 2.0 LL1 11/08
94 3:29.3 MAZDA MX-5 MIATA LL1 11/06
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Scott, I noticed something more amazing.
Of the most frequently named cars on this list, Porsche's 911 is listed six times, Ford's Mustang and Chevrolet's Corvette eight times each.
I guess that Mustang is a supercar after all.
Of the most frequently named cars on this list, Porsche's 911 is listed six times, Ford's Mustang and Chevrolet's Corvette eight times each.
I guess that Mustang is a supercar after all.
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I would bet that there are far more GT-Rs on kid's walls these days than there are 911s.
As a die-hard Porsche fan, the ignorance of some you guys is mind-boggling to me. If you've never driven a GT-R, you really don't understand. I know a guy who owns a Porsche tuning shop who happens to be a sponsor on this forum. He literally has more professional Porsche racing experience than many of you have driving experience. He told me it would take at least $10k worth of suspension work, minimum, to make a 997TT handle like a stock GT-R. Now to some people, that may not be important at all. But to others, the performance aspect trumps whatever badge is on the car.
Performance is why I went with the GT-R. I wanted a daily-drivable 1k awhp car that will run sub 4-second 60-130s and low to mid 9-second 1/4 miles at over 160mph.
Having gone down that road before, spending more money in modifications alone on my 996TT than the cost of a slightly used 997TT, I know that no 996 or 997 Porsche will come close to achieving all of those numbers, thus leaving Porsche completely off the table. The only cars capable of that are modded GT-Rs and UGR TTGs. With only $200k to play with, that left the TTG off the table.
Some of you guys really need to get over yourselves. Your obsession with badges, marques, and showing off your 'money' is the kind of stuff I would expect to see from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Not from real car enthusiasts.
As a die-hard Porsche fan, the ignorance of some you guys is mind-boggling to me. If you've never driven a GT-R, you really don't understand. I know a guy who owns a Porsche tuning shop who happens to be a sponsor on this forum. He literally has more professional Porsche racing experience than many of you have driving experience. He told me it would take at least $10k worth of suspension work, minimum, to make a 997TT handle like a stock GT-R. Now to some people, that may not be important at all. But to others, the performance aspect trumps whatever badge is on the car.
Performance is why I went with the GT-R. I wanted a daily-drivable 1k awhp car that will run sub 4-second 60-130s and low to mid 9-second 1/4 miles at over 160mph.
Having gone down that road before, spending more money in modifications alone on my 996TT than the cost of a slightly used 997TT, I know that no 996 or 997 Porsche will come close to achieving all of those numbers, thus leaving Porsche completely off the table. The only cars capable of that are modded GT-Rs and UGR TTGs. With only $200k to play with, that left the TTG off the table.
Some of you guys really need to get over yourselves. Your obsession with badges, marques, and showing off your 'money' is the kind of stuff I would expect to see from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Not from real car enthusiasts.
. For the record, I don't even own a GT-R.
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Comparing the Turbo S to the 2012 GT-R from a purely performance perspective...
....here's the Car and Driver Lightning Lap results from 2006 to the most recent event in 2011. The Turbo S was the 2nd fastest Porsche ever (only 1.6 seconds behind the 2011 GT3 RS!), but both were slower than the 2009 GT-R. The 997.1TT's time is in 36th place.
Two things immediately come to mind when I look at this list: I'm very impressed by how much faster the Turbo 'S' is compared to the 997.1TT, and I'm very curious where the 2012 GT-R will fall out when they finally test it.
1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
4 2:49.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 LL3 2/10
5 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
6 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
7 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (*with Z07 Performance Package and Carbon Package) LL3 2/11
8 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
9 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
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....here's the Car and Driver Lightning Lap results from 2006 to the most recent event in 2011. The Turbo S was the 2nd fastest Porsche ever (only 1.6 seconds behind the 2011 GT3 RS!), but both were slower than the 2009 GT-R. The 997.1TT's time is in 36th place.
Two things immediately come to mind when I look at this list: I'm very impressed by how much faster the Turbo 'S' is compared to the 997.1TT, and I'm very curious where the 2012 GT-R will fall out when they finally test it.
1 2:45.9 MOSLER MT900S LL3 11/08
2 2:48.6 DODGE VIPER SRT10 ACR LL3 11/08
3 2:49.8 MOSLER PHOTON LL5 2/11
4 2:49.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 LL3 2/10
5 2:51.8 LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO LP570-4 SUPERLEGGERA LL5 2/11
6 2:52.3 KTM X-BOW LLU 2/10
7 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (*with Z07 Performance Package and Carbon Package) LL3 2/11
8 2:53.9 LAMBORGHINI MURCIÉLAGO LP670-4 SV LL5 2/10
9 2:54.6 FERRARI 430 SCUDERIA LL5 11/08
10 2:55.6 NISSAN GT-R LL3 11/08
11 2:55.9 PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS LL4 2/11
12 2:57.4 DODGE VIPER SRT10 LL3 10/07
13 2:57.5 PORSCHE 911 TURBO S LL4 2/11
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