The new 2013 GT-R is expected to have around 570HP... Some other changes as well.

Before the GT-R was released (back in '07), we heard about 3 different versions of GT-R. But most of us (who don't interpret Japanese well) thought there would be 3 different trim levels. There was something called an 'evolution' model - that would be the top tier. As it turns out - the evolution meant that the model itself would undergo evolutionary developments over its own life cycle. A lot of us knew to expect a mid-life upgrade (well publicized by Nissan), because Nissan was going to collect all of the data, and use it to develop these improvements.

Nissan also expressed another attempt at the 'Ring with this new car in October.

 

sucks to be the one that brought a 2012 GTR

 

Here are some links. "V e r y Interesting".

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/09...get-up-to.html


http://www.topspeed.com/cars/nissan/...ure404234.html

 

I know...

I'm glad I dragged my *** on getting a new car.

(I've got to award my two oldest daughters for going to college. If they didn't, I would be driving a red 2012 Black Edition).

 

Don't worry, you can buy the 2013 GT-R update anytime. It's called a Switzer P600.

 

Yeah, but all those other bits and pieces, when put together, make for a much better vehicle.

 

We'll see, I still have not seen a Switzer P600 run the Nurburgring. I am just not keen on the so called "evolution" of the GT-R, that's all. I don't see it really as an evolution, but as "planned evolution" from the beginning. To think that Nissan engineers, when they designed the GT-R, did not know that their engine would produce over 100 extra bhp with the same drive-train designed structurally to easily withstand 600 bph in 2009 is ludicrous. Sure they made a really big mistake with the LC-1, but who's counting, I am sure that guy got fired, or maybe he fell on the sword. Since the gain does not require any extensive modifications, only bolt-on parts, we thus got the crippled 2009 473 bhp GT-R.

When the GT-R came out, it was faster than anything else out there at the time, so why give it more horsepower. We now get tweaks here and there to keep up with the Jones in my mind. I understand the game, its called business, but I don't have to like it or buy into it.

I guess if I did business in this way, I would first give my patients crippled old drugs, and then advance them over the next 5 years to the better drugs. Planned evolution to keep them coming back for more, at its best!

Switzer had it right in 2009, so does Nissan in 2013.

 

Fair enough, and point taken.

I was referring to the balance, ride quality (suspension), suspension improvement for drag racing (yes, I do this about 2 times a year), better MFD, USB, better seats, better LC (OEM), bigger brakes, better weight control (with reinforcements), etc... I wasn't even referring to the power (I already have enough for now).

And I see the equal analogy - you'd give patients the drugs that were just coming out, and proved to be the best possible medicine at the time. You'd advise the paitents to know that it will improve over the next few years, so wait if you'd like, or experience the best possible solution right now.

 

This is true as stated for me. However, I don't own any drug companies, but in your analogy Nissan would and control them. So if Nissan came up with a formula for a drug in 2009 that is excellent, they seem to modify it and make it less potent, crippled, and inferior to the original formula.

And over the next 5 years they bring it back slowly to its original full potency formula. With the awe of all to see in 2013, it now also includes fancier packaging with timed release. This is my point, this is wrong to me at so many levels, but business always seems to get by with it with its followers (New and Improved!).

You may accept it, but I personally don't have to agree with it or like it in the least. I bought Nissan because they make a good product, however, I now choose Switzer (great name for a drug company lol) who came out with a similar and cheaper alternative drug since 2009. Nissan seems to have left a bad taste in my mouth for now. Laissez-faire Jasper.

 

Drug company name...

I think I get your point now (I apologize for misunderstanding). You believe that Nissan built the 570HP 5 years ago, and planned to introduce little by little, keeping sales fresh... (or something like that)

I honestly believe they took the 'Microsoft' approach, using 3000 NA GT-R owners (plus the thousands around the world) as beta-testers for their next product. Releasing the minimum (what they thought was safe), and receiving feedback from the annual POS's, gathering all of the data they need to make future adjustments.

Basically, I think they sold an egg that shouldn't have hatched just yet, and they knew it, so they detuned everything to be run safely until verified. What better R&D is there than 5000+ customers running around in the real world (in a variety of environments) with their product?

I do plan on getting the last version of the car (I forgot about this 3-staged thing until this information became public), and I thought the '12 was it.

 

Gotta keep updating your product to keep ppl interested. Gotta love boosted cars...change the software a little for more boost and fuel and you get more power without changing a whole lot physically. Added aero updates are a plus. ppl don't realize how much difference they make on the track. of course a body kit would do the same.

 

Old school exactly. I can live with a 0.272 drag coefficient vs the new 0.268, just add 10 more HP. If one were really concerned about it, one could upgrade any GTR to beat any stock GTR model hands down as I have said before. For me the latest and greatest does not really matter anymore if one can achieve the goal in other ways. It's to fleeting of a thing. For example, I would be shopping for a new wife every few years! There is something to be said for the old models LOL. If I was to daily drive my GTR, then all the bells and whistles would matter more. As of now, I am more interested in performance value. When I drive I usually turn all the gadgets off anyway and mostly they just add more weight.

Also Beta testing is for clients that have multiple formats and hardware configurations in the thousands and it's impossible to try them all in many lifetimes. Nissan however only has one hardware and one software package to test and no other configurations other than their own to deal with, since you will void your warranty. Believe it or not.

 

I do not understand.

 

Yea, I didn't get that part either.

I could care less about a warranty though. I built my Z months after I bought it...it was still under warranty. After that, I wouldn't let nissan near my car. lol

 

Sorry for that, ran out of texting time. My point was that Nissan has total control over their product by not allowing any third party system alternatives. Therefore Nissan does not have to waste their time and money worrying about how the GTR will drive modified with aftermarket products, since other ECU software, turbos, etc, voids their warranty. This is unlike Microsoft who has to deal with hundreds of software programs and thousands of hardware configurations from vendors who are outside of their control, and have to make an attempt to make it all work, or the bad mouthing begins, like "buy a Mac".