To Burmester Or Not to Burmester?
#31
You might just have to hear it to see what I'm talking about. I'd say it's a bit hot in the 3-5K range. It's not bad but playing material loudly that was mixed hot in the same range may get your attention (in other words be very fatiguing.) This is just nature of the beast for ATM type ribbon drivers especially if you're not physically below them, which in a car, is impossible. My ADAM's in the studio exhibit the same behavior when you stand up and listen to them vs sitting down. As long as you're below the ribbon drivers then it's fine. Also, we (Bob Hodas, a very famous room tuner, and I) had to do a bit of EQ on my ADAM's to relax them a bit in this area. Unfortunately the Burmester doesn't provide in equalization beyond straight broad band bass and treble.
The great thing about ribbons is they have incredible frequency response compared to a round cone driver. They are very open, transparent, fast, and extremely detailed. This provides a very open and extended soundstage. Well recorded orchestral or jazz fusion material will sound fantastic on this system. Burmester provided ample power which should enhance longevity too. The last thing you want to do is send a square wave into a ribbon driver. They can blow easily. I will tell you the system will flat crank. You will be crying uncle and doing hearing damage long before the system runs out of headroom...
I'm a bit concerned about the quality of highly compressed MP3 material when played back through this system. This type of compression tends to derogate the the mids and highs a bit, potentially worsening the above mentioned. Of course I would certainly hope most would be playing high quality CD's a good bit of the time especially after spending the cash for the Burmester. If not it's a bit like buying a 911 and putting 4-spare tires on it, never going to hear its real potential
The great thing about ribbons is they have incredible frequency response compared to a round cone driver. They are very open, transparent, fast, and extremely detailed. This provides a very open and extended soundstage. Well recorded orchestral or jazz fusion material will sound fantastic on this system. Burmester provided ample power which should enhance longevity too. The last thing you want to do is send a square wave into a ribbon driver. They can blow easily. I will tell you the system will flat crank. You will be crying uncle and doing hearing damage long before the system runs out of headroom...
I'm a bit concerned about the quality of highly compressed MP3 material when played back through this system. This type of compression tends to derogate the the mids and highs a bit, potentially worsening the above mentioned. Of course I would certainly hope most would be playing high quality CD's a good bit of the time especially after spending the cash for the Burmester. If not it's a bit like buying a 911 and putting 4-spare tires on it, never going to hear its real potential
Last edited by Ted; 02-10-2010 at 01:35 PM.
#32
Thanks Ted, for your very accurate and informative posts about the Burmester/Porche system. I have custom aftermarket sytems in my BMWs, but I do have the new Burmester 089 CD/DAC/Preamp, and it sounds simply incredible. I also greatly admire your passion for recorded music and your studio is awesome.
#33
You might just have to hear it to see what I'm talking about. I'd say it's a bit hot in the 3-5K range. It's not bad but playing material loudly that was mixed hot in the same range may get your attention (in other words be very fatiguing.) This is just nature of the beast for ATM type ribbon drivers especially if you're not physically below them, which in a car, is impossible. My ADAM's in the studio exhibit the same behavior when you stand up and listen to them vs sitting down. As long as you're below the ribbon drivers then it's fine. Also, we (Bob Hodas, a very famous room tuner, and I) had to do a bit of EQ on my ADAM's to relax them a bit in this area. Unfortunately the Burmester doesn't provide in equalization beyond straight broad band bass and treble.
The great thing about ribbons is they have incredible frequency response compared to a round cone driver. They are very open, transparent, fast, and extremely detailed. This provides a very open and extended soundstage. Well recorded orchestral or jazz fusion material will sound fantastic on this system. Burmester provided ample power which should enhance longevity too. The last thing you want to do is send a square wave into a ribbon driver. They can blow easily. I will tell you the system will flat crank. You will be crying uncle and doing hearing damage long before the system runs out of headroom...
I'm a bit concerned about the quality of highly compressed MP3 material when played back through this system. This type of compression tends to derogate the the mids and highs a bit, potentially worsening the above mentioned. Of course I would certainly hope most would be playing high quality CD's a good bit of the time especially after spending the cash for the Burmester. If not it's a bit like buying a 911 and putting 4-spare tires on it, never going to hear its real potential
The great thing about ribbons is they have incredible frequency response compared to a round cone driver. They are very open, transparent, fast, and extremely detailed. This provides a very open and extended soundstage. Well recorded orchestral or jazz fusion material will sound fantastic on this system. Burmester provided ample power which should enhance longevity too. The last thing you want to do is send a square wave into a ribbon driver. They can blow easily. I will tell you the system will flat crank. You will be crying uncle and doing hearing damage long before the system runs out of headroom...
I'm a bit concerned about the quality of highly compressed MP3 material when played back through this system. This type of compression tends to derogate the the mids and highs a bit, potentially worsening the above mentioned. Of course I would certainly hope most would be playing high quality CD's a good bit of the time especially after spending the cash for the Burmester. If not it's a bit like buying a 911 and putting 4-spare tires on it, never going to hear its real potential
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#36
Now that just sounds like a BONEHEADED move. How does an order get through so many people (salesguy, sales manager, etc) with Burmester but NO satellite radio???
I can't remember the last time I listened to AM/FM...it's ALWAYS on Satellite, iPod, my very own V8 Exhaust note...
I can't remember the last time I listened to AM/FM...it's ALWAYS on Satellite, iPod, my very own V8 Exhaust note...
#37
Yep, I actually saw one for sale the other day with no "Sport Chrono" but had EVERYTHING else. Wow... And yes, Burmester w/o at least sat radio is useless. The thing really only shows its pedigree with well recorded/masterd CD's.
Last edited by Ted; 07-21-2010 at 11:07 PM.
#38
Lack of Sport Chrono doesn't surprise me...
It was probably ordered by someone who didn't want to keep explaining to their friends why they had a gaudy stop watch sticking out of the top of their dash...Does anyone know if Porsche will give you that option without that idiotic thing? I know it adds more than the stop watch but come on...
To reply to the thread, yes, buy the Burmester.
To reply to the thread, yes, buy the Burmester.
#39
Different strokes for different folks, right? To me, it's a PORSCHE...so I want it to drive and feel like a Porsche, not a Lexus.
I guess the explanation is rather "why don't you have the clock in yours?" I like to think of it as my 'Go Fast Timer'
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