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Thanks. I think my compressor is ok for now. This is a recent problem, and since I noticed it i have parked the car and not driven it. Still need to troubleshoot the system and hope to get to it this weekend. The car was lifted once at one corner without disabling system. I got a flat and had to go to a used tire place to get something to get home on. Thought I disabled it, but didn't hold it long enough. (this was the first time lifting the car for me) I believe this was when the strut was damaged (same corner that is leaking audibly now), but I also was working on it after and wondered if I messed up the seals disassembling the control arms.

Another question about RMT, if you don't mind. This is more of an opinion type thing. If i go with them, should I go with a rebuild of my 90k struts or roll the dice with whatever they have in stock? Which did you choose @ciaka ? I'm in Georgia, so shipping times shouldn't be too bad, but I would end up tying my neighbors lift up for at least a week though. Don't really love that neither RMT or Arnott service the actual strut or use/offer new parts. Kind of like the ball joint concern - struts wear out too.
hey bro where did you order ur shocks??
 
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hey bro where did you order ur shocks??
Sorry to butt in. Arnott, new, from RockAuto.com...
 
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Don’t go with any cheap brand. Either Arnott or from Porsche. If you go with Arnott, expect to pay $1200-$1500 each. When it works, it’s great! When it leaks, expect to pay up the YingYang.
 
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Hi everyone and especially @ciaka , thanks for this great manual. I'm an owner of 2010 Panamera Turbo and now I'm facing strange problem.

Do you know what does error "FR valve coil winding short circuit" (000126 or 000127) mean? Description and error codes can be wrong as I'm using some cheap device for reading data from obd, but in most cases it makes sense. Of course I have this annoying Chassis System Failure msg and the car is totally stiff. 3 days ago CSF occured for the first time since last big repair of my PASM. Error was about electric connector open circuit for FR shock absorber, so I just unplugged it, cleaned with contact cleaner and plugged again (thanks for the first picture in manual, it helped). And it worked fine. Now again the same error, but this time together with this strange "coil winding". Unplugging/pluggin does not work anymore. The worst part is that I have 24h to repair it (probably on my own or with some local mechanic, but it is really hard to find someone "asap"), because I really must drive ~1300km with this car soon...

I hope/guess it cannot be anything really serious as I recently (4 months ago) changed: compressor, valve block, front shock absorbers. Maybe there is some additional connector that I should look for? Please, please help me.
 
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Being in the USA vs PL (Poland if I'm not mistaken) it's going to be hard to help. Try to shop around for a replacement air strut, (complete one). Sounds like the electronics inside went bad. I know one of the cheap replacements I tried got really HOT around the area of the connection. It had a short error.
 
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I think he us right, the valve in your FR shock. Did you notice sounds coming from the back of the car when compressor running? Other than sound of compressor? It could also be valve on the valve block itself, if that part if car making sounds after compressor runs. Only way to analyze is with piwis2, to read and explain errors.
 
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Front Drops Evenly overnight

Hello,
Fantastic read in this forum,
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Front end drops evenly overnight. Sometimes in the morning will get a chassis fault and sometimes I don’t, But it drops all way every night.
Took to Porsche dealer they said cannot detect any leaks, they suggested and replaced the valve block, but again overnight it dropped.
Took back to dealer they and suggested changing out the compressor??
I did not want throw money if this is not the case, seems like they were just wanting change out parts to see what fixed it.
So I want to look into it myself.
1. I can’t detect any leaks with soapy water, going to try again this weekend.

Once it raises it holds during day and while driving, Compressor is not kicking on all the time. It seems to be a slow slow leak.

can the air compressor cause it to evenly drop the front only overnight ?
what can I look for that might be causing it to drop overnight Evenly in the front ?
Can leak in the front Shocks be so minor, I can’t detect it with soapy water ?
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Typical failure is at the "Rubber mount bushing". It could also be leaking from the "Air line" to "Air line fitting", or air line fitting to shock. All those fittings from the front to the valve block I would suspect/try to check with soapy water...
 
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If shocks leak from internals, bellies, you cannot tell if they leak. If one side lowers more than the other, then it's that shock. Other shock lowers due to lines lowering pressure.
Did I get that right? You already had calve block and compressor replaced? If yes, shocks are pretty much a dead give away. I recommend change both since one goes, other one follows very soon. Remanufactured shocks worked for me well. The thread I made for diy replacement can be your guide change. Hope if helps.



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Hello,
Fantastic read in this forum,
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what can I look for that
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Thank you for the info !
-valve block was replaced at dealer

-compressor not replaced,
(dealer could not find leak and figured it must be the valve block so changed it, well after changing valve block it still dropped front end evenly overnight. now they want to change compressor and I think they are just changing out a piece at a time until fixed without really knowing what is causing front end to drop evenly.
could the compressor cause front end to drop evenly overnight? I sparyed soapy water and could not find leaks so I’m looking at replacing shocks with rebuilds. Going to use your DIY
 
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I do not think a compressor broken would cause shocks to drop overnight.
Why? Because each shock has its own internal valve,, on each shock,, that has to open for air to glow through the lines.. also, each line from each shock,, connects to the valve block,, which (as you guessed it), also has an open/close valve for each line going to it. Those valves are closed by default. They must be energized to open.
in addition, the air compressor, and the air tank, also have valves in the bake block, which regulate when the air out of those components moves.
So, as you see there are layers of protection and isolation, that would all have to be defective and stuck at least partly open, for air to be escaping through a broken compressor, etc. And, that compressor would have to be broken in such was. As to allow air to escape out of the compressor chamber.
That would be many failures, that u don't think would happen in real life.

OR,

the shocks have internal bellows leak, or a seal leak, which you cannot test for, causing them to release pressure over night, and drop height.


One extra thing you can do is park car in garage, let it idle for 20 minutes (this allows compressor to top up the air tank), then you hold down the air suspension raise button for 10 seconds, to disable suspension.
This way, there will be no way for car electronics to try compensate any shock losing air. With suspension enabled, the ecu still gets info on some sort, and can dircat valve block to open and tip up a shock that is low.
with suspension disabled, if your shocks both still deflate, you can be pretty sure your shocks are leaking air (and if you did water soap testing), through the shocks themselves.



 
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my recent decision, to proactively fix a small leak on my ptt, turned into a full air suspension debug session.
I learned many useful details, which i hope you can keep in mind, when your car starts exhibiting air suspension issues.
Troubleshooting the air suspension is not super difficult, but it really helps to understand all components, and how they work together to keep the panamera performing at its peak.
Terms below and ordering mostly match terminology in the fsm, to help reduce ambiguity.

First – overview of the entire air suspension.
Look over the entire diagram and identify each of the components shown, so you can get a good feel for where each part is, how it connects to the rest of the system, and how the entire system is supposed to work as a unit.


panamera air suspension components




panamera air suspension is made up of the following pieces, which all must work well, in order for the suspension to work appropriately.
  1. air shocks, front – air strut for front of car
    there are two front air shocks, which have internal cavities, where compressed air is injected, to raise the car higher, lower it, make shocks stiffer, etc.
    These front air shocks have rubber bladders, where the air is injected, to achieve desired function. These air cavities are made of rubber material, which, after few years, will deteriorate, and can start leaking air. The air can start leaking from the rubber material (bellows), or can lead out of the top of the shock, or the upper shock bushing. Leaking from bellows will not be easy to observe as they are mostly obstructed by the shock components. Leaking from upper shock bushing can be observed by spraying soapy water onto the top of the shock. Leak will manifest itself by soapy water making bubbles on top of the shock. The air shocks have 3 connections on the top side of each: Air line/tube (off center, different color for each shock), air shock sensor at center top of shock (detects shock expansion/compression with air), and electrical connection for valve that lets air in/out of the air shock (right near the air line). The air line connects to the air shock via a brass fitting, which ensures air tight connection between air line and shock. The sensors and electrical connections are connected to the ecu, so it can tell position of each corner, and adjust as necessary, or can turn electrical connections on/off, to control flow of air into/out of shock. Each air shock has a pressure regulated valve on it, making sure that there is some small amount of pressure in the tank at all times, to help prevent damage to the shock internals if it gets compressed hard (as in after new one put in and car is lowered onto new shock).
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    • air shock connectors
  2. air shocks, rear – air strut with spring for rear of the car
    these rear air shocks are similar to front shocks, but these reservoirs are separate from the struts that help support the car. The air bellows help raise or lower the car just as the front air shocks. Rear air shocks are assisted by vibration dampers mounted to the side of each shock. Same connections go to the top of each air shock for rear: Air line (different color for each side), electrical connection for valve in the shock, and sensor that detects if shock expands/compresses when air is adjusted.
    The sensors and electrical connections are connected to the ecu, so it can tell position of each corner, and adjust as necessary, or can turn electrical connections on/off, to control flow of air into/out of shock.
    Each air shock has a pressure regulated valve on it, making sure that there is some small amount of pressure in the tank at all times, to help prevent damage to the shock internals if it gets compressed hard (as in after new one put in and car is lowered onto new shock).
  3. vibration dampers for rear axle
    these vibration dampers help rear shocks in absorbing chassis movements, making the rear stable while driving.
  4. level sensors
    there are four sensors, each mounted on the upper control arm near each shock. These sensors detect if the corner of the car was raised or lowered, or if the particular corner of car is outside the ‘typical’ position (too high or too low). These sensors are responsible for error messages like ‘vehicle is extremely low’, etc. The sensors have one electrical connection, and two arms joined with an elbow that allows movement when car goes up or down. These sensors are connected to the ecu, so it can detect each corner position and adjust as necessary. There are additional sensors mounted on top of each air shock. These sensors detect the inflation/deflation of each shock, and can tell the ecu if the shock how much air is in each shock (so ecu knows if the suspension is stiff, loose, etc).
    • level sensor
  5. air compressor
    sometimes this is called the air pump. This compressor is located under the car, behind the rear differential, under a protective shield. This compressor compresses air, and feeds it into the air tank. Its sole job is to make sure the air inside the tank, is at predefined pressure, so that the suspension can be adjusted quickly, per design. The air compressor is connected to the ecu via electrical connections. It also has a filtered line coming out of it (see the pigtail in diagram, coming to the left and ending with a round structure). This round structure is an air filter, making sure clean air goes into compressor from outside, so it can be compressed and forced into the air tank. This compressor is also connected with a color coded air line, to the air tank itself.

  6. valve block
    sometimes this is called valve body or valve unit. This valve block is a group of solenoids, which, when energized (connected to electricity), perform some type of work. The work they do is simply to open a valve, allowing compressed air to either go into a shock, out of a shock to be vented out through a dedicated out connection on the block itself. This out connection is a plastic pipe which ends under the trunk near the bumper. When air is let out of shocks, the compressed air travels out of shocks, through the air lines, into the valve block, and through the out port, into the vent line, and is let out of the system (this is the muffled hissing sound you hear when your car is lowered). Normally, the valve block is not energized, and all valves are closed (no air is moving through the block). For any valve to be open, that valve must get powered from ecu, and corresponding solenoid is energized, opening the paired valve to allow air through. As soon as ecu removed electricity, the valve closes automatically. The valve block has an electrical connection that connects to the ecu. The ecu controls the opening/closing of each valve/solenoid in the block, when inflating or deflating each shock.
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  7. air tank
    sometimes called the pressure accumulator (because it accumulates or collects compressed air). This is simply a metal tank, where compressed air is stored, so that when necessary, each shock can be inflated quickly. This air tank is connected to the air compressor with one line, and to the valve block with another line. Compressor feeds compressed air to the air tank, and if needed, air tank provides the system with compressed air via connection to valve block.
  8. ecu or leveling system control unit/pasm
    this is the ecu or the leveling system control unit. It is a circuit board with electronics, that will turn on/off power to pieces of air suspension, will monitor sensors in the system, monitor position of each corner of car. This is the brain of the entire system. Issues with ecu, issues with detecting various sensors by the ecu, result in errors such as the air suspension system failure, etc. This ecu is connected to each shock, each shock sensors (monitor if inflating/deflating), each shock sensor near upper control arm (control height of the vehicle body), connected to valve block, controlling open/close of each solenoid/valve in the valve body, and is connected to the switches inside the car, the ones you press if you want to raise the car, make shock stiffer or softer, want to go into sport or sport plus mode, or back into the default comfort mode.
  9. switches inside the cabin to adjust suspension
    these are the switches that you use to change the configuration of air suspension in your car, higher, lower, comfort, sport, sport plus, etc
open or closed air suspension system
now, few things about the system, as i learned while debugging, and after speaking to mechanics that work on panameras.
Fsm states this is a closed system. Porsche mechanics would tell you it is a closed system.
Indy shop mechanics would tell you it is not a closed system.

I think the discrepancy is in the way you view the system itself. The shocks and valve block and air tank compose a closed system. Once pressurized, air remains in shocks and lines. When shocks are lowered though, they let air out of the system, through valve block, through the out port on the valve block, into tubing that vents air under the car behind the bumper. Similarly, the compressor draws filtered air from outside, and compresses it for the air tank.
So you can look at this system as a closed system (shocks, valve block, air tank only), or an open system, if you include the compressor and the out vent line from the valve block.
Whichever way you look at it, just be aware of how things work and you will be fine.


typical system operation
now, lets go through typical operation of the air suspension system in the panamera. This assumes car is working perfectly fine, no issues with suspension.
You get into the car in the morning. Car has been standing there overnight. Lets assume it got cold over night. Once you get in, car knows via sensors driver has just gotten into car.
You turn on the ignition and start the car. Sensors at center of each shock, and near upper control arms, tell the ecu what position the car is in. Car knows its last position from night before, when you parked the car.
So if for some reason (cold weather), pressure in any part of the suspension was decreased, after car is started (and all doors closed), the ecu will determine if the air tank needs to be pumped up to proper pressure.
If not, all good to go. If air tank pressure is a little low, compressor kicks in (relay in trunk of car will energize, and will close connection to turn on the compressor). The compressor will keep running on a timer and/or the
temperature sensor, and on a pressure in tank sensor. Once compressor starts, it will shut off if it becomes hot, or if the pressure in air tank reaches desired pressure, or if the compressor runs for more than a couple minutes.
The compressor stops because ecu disconnects electrical connection to the relay in trunk, removing electricity to relay, and therefore removing electrical connection to the power circuit that energizes the compressor.
Then, compressor stops running.
Once air tank is at pressure, ecu has already sensed how high your car is, how inflated or deflated your air shocks are. If the car is too high, air can be let out of the system to return to position dictated by switches in cabin.
If car is too low (got very cold outside), the ecu turns on all necessary solenoids/valves in valve block and in shocks, to allow compressed air to travel from high compressed area (air tank), to less compressed area (shocks).
Sensors in shocks will tell the ecu when to turn valves off, when proper height or stiffness is reached.


what can go wrong, how to detect & deal with repair
now, how does this system fail? Actually, very simple. You can divide it into 2 categories. Electrical (connections, sensors, ecu, etc), and mechanical (components, connections, lines, etc).

shocks
if air shocks have leak in them (internally or at top of dampers for fronts), air will leak out, causing ecu to detect lower position of shocks, then making air compressor to work so the positions can be corrected.
If the leak is bad enough, the compressor will be asked to turn on way more often, causing it to heat up. If enough heat gets into the system, the air compressor piston/seals, etc can get broken, making compressor bad and
requiring either recondition kit with new pistons and seals, or a purchase of another compressor.
If there are leaks in the shocks themselves, the shocks have to be replaced. There is no way to repair these shocks on your own, since that would require disassembly of each sock, in a way that cannot be put back together again.
Special presses are needed to seal the shocks. So only way to fix leaking shocks is to buy new ones. You can get oem brand new ones, or remanufactured ones. Many have found remanufactured shocks to be good fit, as price is about 30-40% of new oem ones,
and they can work for very long time too. Choice dictated by your sense of what you need/prefer to get.

air lines
you can also experience leaks in the air lines themselves. After years of use, a line can crack, causing leaking to occur from the shock itself (valve block is normally all closed, so any compressed air will leak out of the shock).
I think it is hard to crack air lines, unless work in the area on the car resulted in air lines being twisted, or pinched or forced, in a way to cause a crack. Near the shock connections in engine bay, it gets hot, so i can see these connections becoming brittle,
and cracking a bit. In these situations, you have to buy new air lines, or try to patch a found leak with epoxy, etc.
A good way to check if air line is leaking, is to disconnect from shock, and pull vacuum on it, while other end is connected to the valve block, and assuming valve block connection or internals are not leaking as well.
Then, you should see vacuum hold in the line. Otherwise the line has a leak and must be dealt with. Not fixing this will cause low pressure in shock all the time, making compressor over work, and being broken eventually.

level sensors
sometimes the level sensors near, or on the shocks, will become defective. This is usually manifested by the system not being able to detect that one or more shocks has been raised or lowered, or if stiffness has changed inside a shock.
If a level sensor goes bad, after button is pressed to raise car, you can see car raising, but can see messages on cluster that the system is faulty. Another example is changing modes to sport or sport plus, and ecu saying
on cluster air suspension system fault, or inability to enter the mode. As side note, if you cannot enter sport or sport plus mode, you will usually see other errors on console, along with limiting car power.
Car thinks something bad going on with suspension when trying to enter sport or sport plus mode, and will disable these modes based on errors. These additional errors normally go away after issue is fixed.
Normally, if level sensors go bad they will need replacement. Repair is a diy thing and often sensor is junk when broken.

air compressor
yet another common failure is the air compressor. This device makes sure the air tank is always at correct pressure, so that suspension changes can be done quickly (they say under 4 seconds).
If there is a leak in suspension, the air tank is asked to refill shocks much more often. This results in compressor working much more often to keep the air tank refilled.
You can start your car, close all doors, and stand by passenger side muffler. Listen for low tone humming coming out. That’s the compressor. If you hear it coming on often over 20 minutes of idle, you have suspension issues.
You can troubleshoot compressor issues by codes. Normally suspension system failure can manifest as bad compressor. If you do not hear compressor kick in at all when you press button to raise suspension, chances are, compressor bad.
If you hear mechanical sounds that sound other than an electrical mattress inflator, you can suspect compressor.
Sometimes the relay goes bad, which typically will manifest as compressor not kicking on at all, or compressor being on all the time (this one usually results in relay bad).
Any time you replace compressor, replace relay as well. This ensures bad relay does not damage new compressor too. New relays have been changed slightly, altering voltage and current they can provide through them, to help compressor.

valve block
another place common to fail, is the valve block itself. Age can cause pressure fittings on any of the air lines to valve block, to become leaky. Then you can purchase these air fittings and replace in the valve block.
Problem with that is that often the block starts leaking internally too. Most of the time, the entire valve block is replaced. New one comes with fittings too.
To detect if valve block connections leak, you spray soapy water onto the air lines and fittings, and you would see air bubbles coming from fittings. You cannot test internal failures unless valve block itself becomes bad.
In this case, some valves will become stuck, manifesting in one corner being stuck low or high, or maybe all corners stuck in one position, despite using buttons to try switch to different configuration.
If only one corner is stuck, maybe two, chances are block needs replacement.

air tank / pressure accumulator
it is hard to envision air tank failing, but it is possible something wrong with the lines makes the tank work bad. Not many things can make tank go bad, except for some puncture making leaks in tank, or lines.

ecu / leveling system control unit
if the ecu goes bad, the entire system is no longer being monitored or controlled. This means your can wont raise, wont lower, wont change any settings for shocks, etc. The brain of the suspension is dead.
Therefore the entire suspension is dead. If nothing happens when you press any buttons, and compressor does not kick in, and car does not change height, but car has not slammed down (corners do not appear deflated),
it is a good sign the ecu is the problem.

switches inside cabin
if you press buttons to change height, change mode, etc, and nothing happens, you can suspect the switches in the cabin. Usually one or two will not work, but other will. It is unusual for all suspension related buttons to stop working at same time.
If you can change modes, but cannot change stiffness, suspect buttons. Air suspension system failure errors are sometimes caused by buttons (since car is not responsive to button changes).
Those would be one of last things i would suspect to go bad though in typical suspension setup debug.


Sometimes, there is a combination of more than one item going bad. For example, you can experience a shock leaking, and while doing debug you accidentally crack an air line.
Or air shock goes bad and slams down, causing a level sensor to go bad as well.
In cases of suspension failures that have no obvious results, you will have to debug independent systems first, to make sure you know exactly where the issue is.


pd of problems & repair
start with shocks that appear to be leaking. Use soap water on top of shock to see if bubbles form. If yes, you know shocks need replacing. Then, do not remove any air lines. Crawl under car and spray valve block.
If bubbles form at connections, block is bad too. Sometimes valve block is bad internally, and if you cannot determine if good/bad, dish out the 100 bucks or so for a new one.
Unfortunately, only piwis2 system has debugging steps built in for air suspension. Other systems can only read and clear faults. So you wont be able to id valve block bad/good unless you get wiring diagram,
identify which pins carry the 12v to specific valve in the block, so you can manually energize the valve and cause it to open (checking if works ok or not). You can use needle to pierce insulation at wire, to power it with 12v battery.

Air lines should be connected to valve block if you want to determine if they leak. Disconnect line at a shock and use small pump to put some vacuum on it. See if it remains. If it remains, that line is not leaking.
If line cannot hold vacuum, it has a crack. Then you will have to hunt down where the crack is. Normally at either end (seldom does it appear somewhere in middle of line).
If still cant find line leak, time to replace the line (each line is in sections with join connector,
up to you how to handle replacement – entire line or a section at a time).
Line leaks would be lesser on priority to check unless someone has been playing with removing lines from shock or from valve block, accidentally cracking one. If you see a crack, you can try to epoxy it after wrapping with some adhesive.
Your choice.

Compressors will start making bad sounds before they go bad. There is a piston inside the compressor, with plastic rubber seals, which rub against a sleeve, while air is compressed. If the rubber plastic damages due to heat (running too long), compressor will stop running (will be too hard to move piston and ecu will tell relay to disconnect from power).
Anytime you change compressor, replace relay to make sure bad relay does not break new compressor. Remember, a relay is a mechanical way to close/open a circuit with electricity/magnets. Once electricity is added,
magnets force metals to contact, allowing electricity to flow. Once electricity is removed, magnets no longer work, forcing metal contacts away from each other (these contacts are spring loaded, so if magnetic field removed, spring forces contacts apart).

We have covered air shocks already, but it is possible for them to leak where you cannot spray to see the leak. If you spray top of shock and see no leaks, but then you see car raise the corner, only to see that corner again over time, the shock has an internal leak.
Must be replaced, repair not possible without specialty tools and presses.



By now, i covered components of the air suspension system in the panamera, what each component does, how it is connected to the rest of the system, how it all works together, along with some troubleshooting tips.
Hope this will help others in their course to make another panamera drive perfect. Let me know if you have opinions on this info. Thank you.
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Additional question on trouble shooting air shocks issue 2014 Panamera e-hybrid

I recently had my 2014 e-hybrid Panamera car towed due to hybrid system failure (which dealer says is hybrid battery). During the tow, or while unloading the tow, the company punctured the rear bumper on passenger side. When the car was turned on, both rear shocks filled completely up, lifting the car into a strange WAY over lifted position. The dealer has said that there are components in the rear bumper that could have been damaged through this bumper puncture, but have not yet gotten to a diagnosis (still waiting on battery from Germany). I would think though if a line was damaged, or tank ruptured in bumper that the rear would not lift at all, or the whole car would be lowered. I didn’t see parts or system mentioned that are located in the rear bumper in your write up. Any thoughts on the diagnosis?

thanks for any info!

Paul





Originally Posted by ciaka
My recent decision, to proactively fix a small leak on my PTT, turned into a full air suspension debug session.
I learned many useful details, which I hope you can keep in mind, when your car starts exhibiting air suspension issues.
Troubleshooting the air suspension is not super difficult, but it really helps to understand all components, and how they work together to keep the Panamera performing at its peak.
Terms below and ordering mostly match terminology in the FSM, to help reduce ambiguity.

First – overview of the entire air suspension.
Look over the entire diagram and identify each of the components shown, so you can get a good feel for where each part is, how it connects to the rest of the system, and how the entire system is supposed to work as a unit.


PANAMERA AIR SUSPENSION COMPONENTS




Panamera air suspension is made up of the following pieces, which all must work well, in order for the suspension to work appropriately.
  1. Air shocks, front – air strut for front of car
    There are two front air shocks, which have internal cavities, where compressed air is injected, to raise the car higher, lower it, make shocks stiffer, etc.
    These front air shocks have rubber bladders, where the air is injected, to achieve desired function. These air cavities are made of rubber material, which, after few years, will deteriorate, and can start leaking air. The air can start leaking from the rubber material (bellows), or can lead out of the top of the shock, or the upper shock bushing. Leaking from bellows will not be easy to observe as they are mostly obstructed by the shock components. Leaking from upper shock bushing can be observed by spraying soapy water onto the top of the shock. Leak will manifest itself by soapy water making bubbles on top of the shock. The air shocks have 3 connections on the top side of each: Air line/tube (off center, different color for each shock), air shock sensor at center top of shock (detects shock expansion/compression with air), and electrical connection for valve that lets air in/out of the air shock (right near the air line). The air line connects to the air shock via a brass fitting, which ensures air tight connection between air line and shock. The sensors and electrical connections are connected to the ECU, so it can tell position of each corner, and adjust as necessary, or can turn electrical connections on/off, to control flow of air into/out of shock. Each air shock has a pressure regulated valve on it, making sure that there is some small amount of pressure in the tank at all times, to help prevent damage to the shock internals if it gets compressed hard (as in after new one put in and car is lowered onto new shock).
    • Air shock

    • Air shock connectors
  2. Air shocks, rear – air strut with spring for rear of the car
    These rear air shocks are similar to front shocks, but these reservoirs are separate from the struts that help support the car. The air bellows help raise or lower the car just as the front air shocks. Rear air shocks are assisted by vibration dampers mounted to the side of each shock. Same connections go to the top of each air shock for rear: Air line (different color for each side), electrical connection for valve in the shock, and sensor that detects if shock expands/compresses when air is adjusted.
    The sensors and electrical connections are connected to the ECU, so it can tell position of each corner, and adjust as necessary, or can turn electrical connections on/off, to control flow of air into/out of shock.
    Each air shock has a pressure regulated valve on it, making sure that there is some small amount of pressure in the tank at all times, to help prevent damage to the shock internals if it gets compressed hard (as in after new one put in and car is lowered onto new shock).
  3. Vibration dampers for rear axle
    These vibration dampers help rear shocks in absorbing chassis movements, making the rear stable while driving.
  4. Level sensors
    There are four sensors, each mounted on the upper control arm near each shock. These sensors detect if the corner of the car was raised or lowered, or if the particular corner of car is outside the ‘typical’ position (too high or too low). These sensors are responsible for error messages like ‘vehicle is extremely low’, etc. The sensors have one electrical connection, and two arms joined with an elbow that allows movement when car goes up or down. These sensors are connected to the ECU, so it can detect each corner position and adjust as necessary. There are additional sensors mounted on top of each air shock. These sensors detect the inflation/deflation of each shock, and can tell the ECU if the shock how much air is in each shock (so ECU knows if the suspension is stiff, loose, etc).
    • Level Sensor
  5. Air Compressor
    Sometimes this is called the air pump. This compressor is located under the car, behind the rear differential, under a protective shield. This compressor compresses air, and feeds it into the air tank. Its sole job is to make sure the air inside the tank, is at predefined pressure, so that the suspension can be adjusted quickly, per design. The Air compressor is connected to the ECU via electrical connections. It also has a filtered line coming out of it (see the pigtail in diagram, coming to the left and ending with a round structure). This round structure is an air filter, making sure clean air goes into compressor from outside, so it can be compressed and forced into the air tank. This compressor is also connected with a color coded air line, to the air tank itself.

  6. Valve block
    Sometimes this is called valve body or valve unit. This valve block is a group of solenoids, which, when energized (connected to electricity), perform some type of work. The work they do is simply to open a valve, allowing compressed air to either go into a shock, out of a shock to be vented out through a dedicated OUT connection on the block itself. This OUT connection is a plastic pipe which ends under the trunk near the bumper. When air is let out of shocks, the compressed air travels out of shocks, through the air lines, into the valve block, and through the OUT port, into the vent line, and is let out of the system (this is the muffled hissing sound you hear when your car is lowered). Normally, the valve block is not energized, and all valves are closed (no air is moving through the block). For any valve to be open, that valve must get powered from ECU, and corresponding solenoid is energized, opening the paired valve to allow air through. As soon as ECU removed electricity, the valve closes automatically. The valve block has an electrical connection that connects to the ECU. The ECU controls the opening/closing of each valve/solenoid in the block, when inflating or deflating each shock.


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  7. Air tank
    Sometimes called the pressure accumulator (because it accumulates or collects compressed air). This is simply a metal tank, where compressed air is stored, so that when necessary, each shock can be inflated quickly. This air tank is connected to the air compressor with one line, and to the valve block with another line. Compressor feeds compressed air to the air tank, and if needed, air tank provides the system with compressed air via connection to valve block.
  8. ECU or Leveling system control unit/PASM
    This is the ECU or the leveling system control unit. It is a circuit board with electronics, that will turn on/off power to pieces of air suspension, will monitor sensors in the system, monitor position of each corner of car. This is the brain of the entire system. Issues with ECU, issues with detecting various sensors by the ECU, result in errors such as the air suspension system failure, etc. This ECU is connected to each shock, each shock sensors (monitor if inflating/deflating), each shock sensor near upper control arm (control height of the vehicle body), connected to valve block, controlling open/close of each solenoid/valve in the valve body, and is connected to the switches inside the car, the ones you press if you want to raise the car, make shock stiffer or softer, want to go into sport or sport plus mode, or back into the default comfort mode.
  9. Switches inside the cabin to adjust suspension
    These are the switches that you use to change the configuration of air suspension in your car, higher, lower, comfort, sport, sport plus, etc
OPEN OR CLOSED AIR SUSPENSION SYSTEM
Now, few things about the system, as I learned while debugging, and after speaking to mechanics that work on Panameras.
FSM states this is a closed system. Porsche mechanics would tell you it is a closed system.
Indy shop mechanics would tell you it is not a closed system.

I think the discrepancy is in the way you view the system itself. The shocks and valve block and air tank compose a closed system. Once pressurized, air remains in shocks and lines. When shocks are lowered though, they let air out of the system, through valve block, through the OUT port on the valve block, into tubing that vents air under the car behind the bumper. Similarly, the compressor draws filtered air from outside, and compresses it for the air tank.
So you can look at this system as a closed system (shocks, valve block, air tank only), or an open system, if you include the compressor and the OUT vent line from the valve block.
Whichever way you look at it, just be aware of how things work and you will be fine.


TYPICAL SYSTEM OPERATION
Now, lets go through typical operation of the air suspension system in the Panamera. This assumes car is working perfectly fine, no issues with suspension.
You get into the car in the morning. Car has been standing there overnight. Lets assume it got cold over night. Once you get in, car knows via sensors driver has just gotten into car.
You turn on the ignition and start the car. Sensors at center of each shock, and near upper control arms, tell the ECU what position the car is in. Car knows its last position from night before, when you parked the car.
So if for some reason (cold weather), pressure in any part of the suspension was decreased, after car is started (and all doors closed), the ECU will determine if the air tank needs to be pumped up to proper pressure.
If not, all good to go. If air tank pressure is a little low, compressor kicks in (relay in trunk of car will energize, and will close connection to turn on the compressor). The compressor will keep running on a timer and/or the
temperature sensor, and on a pressure in tank sensor. Once compressor starts, it will shut off if it becomes hot, or if the pressure in air tank reaches desired pressure, or if the compressor runs for more than a couple minutes.
The compressor stops because ECU disconnects electrical connection to the relay in trunk, removing electricity to relay, and therefore removing electrical connection to the power circuit that energizes the compressor.
Then, compressor stops running.
Once air tank is at pressure, ECU has already sensed how high your car is, how inflated or deflated your air shocks are. If the car is too high, air can be let out of the system to return to position dictated by switches in cabin.
If car is too low (got very cold outside), the ECU turns on all necessary solenoids/valves in valve block and in shocks, to allow compressed air to travel from high compressed area (air tank), to less compressed area (shocks).
Sensors in shocks will tell the ECU when to turn valves off, when proper height or stiffness is reached.


WHAT CAN GO WRONG, HOW TO DETECT & DEAL WITH REPAIR
Now, how does this system fail? Actually, very simple. You can divide it into 2 categories. Electrical (connections, sensors, ecu, etc), and mechanical (components, connections, lines, etc).

Shocks
If air shocks have leak in them (internally or at top of dampers for fronts), air will leak out, causing ECU to detect lower position of shocks, then making air compressor to work so the positions can be corrected.
If the leak is bad enough, the compressor will be asked to turn on way more often, causing it to heat up. If enough heat gets into the system, the air compressor piston/seals, etc can get broken, making compressor bad and
requiring either recondition kit with new pistons and seals, or a purchase of another compressor.
If there are leaks in the shocks themselves, the shocks have to be replaced. There is no way to repair these shocks on your own, since that would require disassembly of each sock, in a way that cannot be put back together again.
Special presses are needed to seal the shocks. So only way to fix leaking shocks is to buy new ones. You can get OEM brand new ones, or remanufactured ones. Many have found remanufactured shocks to be good fit, as price is about 30-40% of new OEM ones,
and they can work for very long time too. Choice dictated by your sense of what you need/prefer to get.

Air lines
You can also experience leaks in the air lines themselves. After years of use, a line can crack, causing leaking to occur from the shock itself (valve block is normally all closed, so any compressed air will leak out of the shock).
I think it is hard to crack air lines, unless work in the area on the car resulted in air lines being twisted, or pinched or forced, in a way to cause a crack. Near the shock connections in engine bay, it gets hot, so I can see these connections becoming brittle,
and cracking a bit. In these situations, you have to buy new air lines, or try to patch a found leak with epoxy, etc.
A good way to check if air line is leaking, is to disconnect from shock, and pull vacuum on it, while other end is connected to the valve block, and assuming valve block connection or internals are not leaking as well.
Then, you should see vacuum hold in the line. Otherwise the line has a leak and must be dealt with. Not fixing this will cause low pressure in shock all the time, making compressor over work, and being broken eventually.

Level sensors
Sometimes the level sensors near, or on the shocks, will become defective. This is usually manifested by the system not being able to detect that one or more shocks has been raised or lowered, or if stiffness has changed inside a shock.
If a level sensor goes bad, after button is pressed to raise car, you can see car raising, but can see messages on cluster that the system is faulty. Another example is changing modes to sport or sport plus, and ECU saying
on cluster air suspension system fault, or inability to enter the mode. As side note, if you cannot enter sport or sport plus mode, you will usually see other errors on console, along with limiting car power.
Car thinks something bad going on with suspension when trying to enter sport or sport plus mode, and will disable these modes based on errors. These additional errors normally go away after issue is fixed.
Normally, if level sensors go bad they will need replacement. Repair is a diy thing and often sensor is junk when broken.

Air compressor
Yet another common failure is the air compressor. This device makes sure the air tank is always at correct pressure, so that suspension changes can be done quickly (they say under 4 seconds).
If there is a leak in suspension, the air tank is asked to refill shocks much more often. This results in compressor working much more often to keep the air tank refilled.
You can start your car, close all doors, and stand by passenger side muffler. Listen for low tone humming coming out. That’s the compressor. If you hear it coming on often over 20 minutes of idle, you have suspension issues.
You can troubleshoot compressor issues by codes. Normally suspension system failure can manifest as bad compressor. If you do not hear compressor kick in at all when you press button to raise suspension, chances are, compressor bad.
If you hear mechanical sounds that sound other than an electrical mattress inflator, you can suspect compressor.
Sometimes the relay goes bad, which typically will manifest as compressor not kicking on at all, or compressor being on all the time (this one usually results in relay bad).
Any time you replace compressor, replace relay as well. This ensures bad relay does not damage new compressor too. New relays have been changed slightly, altering voltage and current they can provide through them, to help compressor.

Valve block
Another place common to fail, is the valve block itself. Age can cause pressure fittings on any of the air lines to valve block, to become leaky. Then you can purchase these air fittings and replace in the valve block.
Problem with that is that often the block starts leaking internally too. Most of the time, the entire valve block is replaced. New one comes with fittings too.
To detect if valve block connections leak, you spray soapy water onto the air lines and fittings, and you would see air bubbles coming from fittings. You cannot test internal failures unless valve block itself becomes bad.
In this case, some valves will become stuck, manifesting in one corner being stuck low or high, or maybe all corners stuck in one position, despite using buttons to try switch to different configuration.
If only one corner is stuck, maybe two, chances are block needs replacement.

Air tank / pressure accumulator
It is hard to envision air tank failing, but it is possible something wrong with the lines makes the tank work bad. Not many things can make tank go bad, except for some puncture making leaks in tank, or lines.

ECU / Leveling system control unit
If the ECU goes bad, the entire system is no longer being monitored or controlled. This means your can wont raise, wont lower, wont change any settings for shocks, etc. The brain of the suspension is dead.
Therefore the entire suspension is dead. If nothing happens when you press any buttons, and compressor does not kick in, and car does not change height, but car has not slammed down (corners do not appear deflated),
it is a good sign the ECU is the problem.

Switches inside cabin
If you press buttons to change height, change mode, etc, and nothing happens, you can suspect the switches in the cabin. Usually one or two will not work, but other will. It is unusual for all suspension related buttons to stop working at same time.
If you can change modes, but cannot change stiffness, suspect buttons. Air suspension system failure errors are sometimes caused by buttons (since car is not responsive to button changes).
Those would be one of last things I would suspect to go bad though in typical suspension setup debug.


Sometimes, there is a combination of more than one item going bad. For example, you can experience a shock leaking, and while doing debug you accidentally crack an air line.
Or air shock goes bad and slams down, causing a level sensor to go bad as well.
In cases of suspension failures that have no obvious results, you will have to debug independent systems first, to make sure you know exactly where the issue is.


PD OF PROBLEMS & REPAIR
Start with shocks that appear to be leaking. Use soap water on top of shock to see if bubbles form. If yes, you know shocks need replacing. Then, do not remove any air lines. Crawl under car and spray valve block.
If bubbles form at connections, block is bad too. Sometimes valve block is bad internally, and if you cannot determine if good/bad, dish out the 100 bucks or so for a new one.
Unfortunately, only PIWIS2 system has debugging steps built in for air suspension. Other systems can only read and clear faults. So you wont be able to ID valve block bad/good unless you get wiring diagram,
identify which pins carry the 12V to specific valve in the block, so you can manually energize the valve and cause it to open (checking if works ok or not). You can use needle to pierce insulation at wire, to power it with 12V battery.

Air lines should be connected to valve block if you want to determine if they leak. Disconnect line at a shock and use small pump to put some vacuum on it. See if it remains. If it remains, that line is not leaking.
If line cannot hold vacuum, it has a crack. Then you will have to hunt down where the crack is. Normally at either end (seldom does it appear somewhere in middle of line).
If still cant find line leak, time to replace the line (each line is in sections with join connector,
up to you how to handle replacement – entire line or a section at a time).
Line leaks would be lesser on priority to check unless someone has been playing with removing lines from shock or from valve block, accidentally cracking one. IF you see a crack, you can try to epoxy it after wrapping with some adhesive.
Your choice.

Compressors will start making bad sounds before they go bad. There is a piston inside the compressor, with plastic rubber seals, which rub against a sleeve, while air is compressed. If the rubber plastic damages due to heat (running too long), compressor will stop running (will be too hard to move piston and ECU will tell relay to disconnect from power).
Anytime you change compressor, replace relay to make sure bad relay does not break new compressor. Remember, a relay is a mechanical way to close/open a circuit with electricity/magnets. Once electricity is added,
magnets force metals to contact, allowing electricity to flow. Once electricity is removed, magnets no longer work, forcing metal contacts away from each other (these contacts are spring loaded, so if magnetic field removed, spring forces contacts apart).

We have covered air shocks already, but it is possible for them to leak where you cannot spray to see the leak. If you spray top of shock and see no leaks, but then you see car raise the corner, only to see that corner again over time, the shock has an internal leak.
Must be replaced, repair not possible without specialty tools and presses.



By now, I covered components of the air suspension system in the Panamera, what each component does, how it is connected to the rest of the system, how it all works together, along with some troubleshooting tips.
Hope this will help others in their course to make another Panamera drive perfect. Let me know if you have opinions on this info. Thank you.
 
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