Radar Detectors - What Is The Best One Out There?
#151
04-23-2009, 11:01 AM
I have had my V1 for over 5 years now with no tickets. It has saved me numerous times. Some of the features of the 9500 look interesting but the basic functionality of the V1 gets the job done and I bring it in every car I drive.
#152
04-23-2009, 11:29 AM
The V1 is a fantastic detector. But in my neck of the woods, Laser is becomming more common than Radar. The CT state police have over 500 laser guns in their arsenal, about 100 of which are the new LTI 20/20 TruSpeed. This new gun can shoot through glass, can be used in bad weather, and they are hard to detect or jam. The Escort does very well against this gun.
#153
04-23-2009, 11:54 AM
LI that can't even detect a TruSpeed 2:
LI on Corvette that delivers punch through, not JTG:
LI on Mercedes that delivers punch through, not JTG:
ZR-3 (Escorts old school jammer) on Audi A6 that delivers JTG:
All of these videos were against the LTI TruSpeed, the guns that are in use where I live, so that is very important to me. The laser diode jammers have a very hard time with this gun because it works at 905nm instead of the usual 904nm. Laser diodes transmit at a very narrow bandwidth, usually around 0.2-0.5 nm. IR LED's on the other hand, though not as intense, transmit a much broader bandwidth of light, usually around 20nm.
The LIs use two laser diodes each. I have no idea what their light output is. Laser diodes range in intensity from 5mw to 500mw. But once you pass the 100mw area, they go astronomical in price. A 300mw 905nm laser diode would cost around $600 each. It's pretty safe to assume that LI is using a 100mw or lower diode, from a simple cost / profit margin bassis. Those would cost around $100 each. If we assume that, then we can assume that LIs are putting out 100-200mw per shifter (depending on the model selected).
The ZR4s and ZR3s use 8 IR LEDs per shifter. IR LEDs range in output from 5mw to 24mw. A 24mw 905nm IR LED would cost about $4 a piece. So if Escort is using eight 24mw IR LEDs in each shifter, then thay are getting an output of about of ~192mw per shifter. LEDs are improving fast. In fact, a company just released some new 38mw IR LEDs for under $5 a piece. So for about $80, I can drop those LEDs into my shifters and juice them to 304mw each, an intensity increase of 50%, an intensity that would cost me $600 a shifter if I wanted to use laser diodes, and by using LEDs I can retain the broad bandwidth that helps smoke the TruSpeed. 
This is something I have been considering and researching for a little while. I hope to conduct some experiments as time allows to determine if my threories are correct and if this modification can be applied.
Last edited by Gator Bite; 04-23-2009 at 11:58 AM.
#154
04-24-2009, 10:47 PM
The Escort isn't that weak but it does have issues with the Stalker LZ1
Gator bite you are very wrong with the LTI TruSpeed I suggest you do some more reading on RD.net I could explain it to you when I meet in person to test out your set-up.
Regular LI heads use 2 recieving diodes and 1 transmitting diode
HP LI used 2 recieving and 2 transmitting
As far as IR output the LI heads put LED heads to shame. I have done fomr IR filming and can verify. You are exaggerating the output power the LED jammer. LED jammers aren't that powerful compared to the LI jammers
Simply put you need 2 LED jammer heads to meet the power of the a single LED jammer
The Video you have of the LI not jamming the TruSpeed is of the European TruSpeed in which it is known that only the Anti-Laser and Laser Interceptor are the only to jammers that can jam the EU TruSpeed version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6HOUKkuM-o
Gator bite you are very wrong with the LTI TruSpeed I suggest you do some more reading on RD.net
I could explain it to you when I meet in person to test out your set-up.Regular LI heads use 2 recieving diodes and 1 transmitting diode
HP LI used 2 recieving and 2 transmitting
As far as IR output the LI heads put LED heads to shame. I have done fomr IR filming and can verify. You are exaggerating the output power the LED jammer. LED jammers aren't that powerful compared to the LI jammers
Simply put you need 2 LED jammer heads to meet the power of the a single LED jammer
The Video you have of the LI not jamming the TruSpeed is of the European TruSpeed in which it is known that only the Anti-Laser and Laser Interceptor are the only to jammers that can jam the EU TruSpeed version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6HOUKkuM-o
#155
04-25-2009, 09:03 AM
Gatorbite: This is a weak attempt to discredit the LI. Ditto on what Volvo Rob said.
Why don't you just buy a LI and be done with it? It's the best unit out there. I'm sure if there was a way to "juice" a LED unit up, Blinder would have already done it. Square peg, round hole. Quit trying to make it fit
I know you want your "package" to work like a LI but it doesn't. This is why people buy home theaters components instead of a bundle.
FWIW, I've tested my car against the Truspeed on several different occasions. JTG to every time.
Why don't you just buy a LI and be done with it? It's the best unit out there. I'm sure if there was a way to "juice" a LED unit up, Blinder would have already done it. Square peg, round hole. Quit trying to make it fit
I know you want your "package" to work like a LI but it doesn't. This is why people buy home theaters components instead of a bundle. FWIW, I've tested my car against the Truspeed on several different occasions. JTG to every time.
#156
04-25-2009, 11:01 AM
Gatorbite: This is a weak attempt to discredit the LI. Ditto on what Volvo Rob said.
Why don't you just buy a LI and be done with it? It's the best unit out there. I'm sure if there was a way to "juice" a LED unit up, Blinder would have already done it. Square peg, round hole. Quit trying to make it fit I know you want your "package" to work like a LI but it doesn't. This is why people buy home theaters components instead of a bundle.
FWIW, I've tested my car against the Truspeed on several different occasions. JTG to every time.
Why don't you just buy a LI and be done with it? It's the best unit out there. I'm sure if there was a way to "juice" a LED unit up, Blinder would have already done it. Square peg, round hole. Quit trying to make it fit
I know you want your "package" to work like a LI but it doesn't. This is why people buy home theaters components instead of a bundle. FWIW, I've tested my car against the Truspeed on several different occasions. JTG to every time.
Besides the Escort 9500ci may not be the best jammer but it will jam enough to save Gator bite a ticket and it is a very trick package.
Stop the hating Deputy the LI isn't for everyone.
#157
04-25-2009, 03:06 PM
"Good enough" may be good enough for you, but not for me. I want the best when it comes to countermeasures. As long as it's not priced so unreasonably that there is a point of diminishing returns (ie LI HP), then I'm going to buy it. If someone bests the LI, then I'll buy that. My loyalty lies with whatever is the best product on the market....
Look at the GOL tests... The escort performed miserably. I've been there for testing on the K40 and Blinder. Both those units tested poorly as well. Although the Blinder did do better than the K40.
I don't care if a product is "pretty" or not. My only concern is that works as advertised.
You can buy a Cobra radar detector for probably 1/3rd the price of a V1, and it will detect police radar as well. But would you?
#158
04-25-2009, 10:48 PM
If you can afford the 9500ci plus installation, you can certainly afford a LI.
"Good enough" may be good enough for you, but not for me. I want the best when it comes to countermeasures. As long as it's not priced so unreasonably that there is a point of diminishing returns (ie LI HP), then I'm going to buy it. If someone bests the LI, then I'll buy that. My loyalty lies with whatever is the best product on the market....
Look at the GOL tests... The escort performed miserably. I've been there for testing on the K40 and Blinder. Both those units tested poorly as well. Although the Blinder did do better than the K40.
I don't care if a product is "pretty" or not. My only concern is that works as advertised.
You can buy a Cobra radar detector for probably 1/3rd the price of a V1, and it will detect police radar as well. But would you?
"Good enough" may be good enough for you, but not for me. I want the best when it comes to countermeasures. As long as it's not priced so unreasonably that there is a point of diminishing returns (ie LI HP), then I'm going to buy it. If someone bests the LI, then I'll buy that. My loyalty lies with whatever is the best product on the market....
Look at the GOL tests... The escort performed miserably. I've been there for testing on the K40 and Blinder. Both those units tested poorly as well. Although the Blinder did do better than the K40.
I don't care if a product is "pretty" or not. My only concern is that works as advertised.
You can buy a Cobra radar detector for probably 1/3rd the price of a V1, and it will detect police radar as well. But would you?
But I have used many other jammers. And never had a laser ticket since I started using a laser jammer. Heck I even used a Blinder M20 in which I could easily get over 1000ft punchthrough on but still never got a ticket
Deputy all you are doing is making me want to Drive down meet up with Gator Bite shoot him with my laser gun to prove he has a decent set-up. Willing to bet his ride is capable of JTGing my Laser Atlanta
Excuse me for testing every jammer under the sun. And doing work with GOL in the past. I was the one shoting the laser guns for the single head testing in March 2006.
GOL test on a worst case senerio vehicle and they were complete biased to the Diode jammers. The past GOL laser test was the worse one they ever did to date
LI isn't for everybody I know Before I had the LI i used almost every other jammer and was ticket free. Shock. Deputy you are worst than V1 zombies
#159
04-26-2009, 07:26 AM
The Escort isn't that weak but it does have issues with the Stalker LZ1
Gator bite you are very wrong with the LTI TruSpeed I suggest you do some more reading on RD.net I could explain it to you when I meet in person to test out your set-up.
Regular LI heads use 2 receiving diodes and 1 transmitting diode
HP LI used 2 receiving and 2 transmitting
As far as IR output the LI heads put LED heads to shame. I have done from IR filming and can verify. You are exaggerating the output power the LED jammer. LED jammers aren't that powerful compared to the LI jammers
Simply put you need 2 LED jammer heads to meet the power of the a single LED jammer
The Video you have of the LI not jamming the TruSpeed is of the European TruSpeed in which it is known that only the Anti-Laser and Laser Interceptor are the only to jammers that can jam the EU TruSpeed version
Gator bite you are very wrong with the LTI TruSpeed I suggest you do some more reading on RD.net
I could explain it to you when I meet in person to test out your set-up.Regular LI heads use 2 receiving diodes and 1 transmitting diode
HP LI used 2 receiving and 2 transmitting
As far as IR output the LI heads put LED heads to shame. I have done from IR filming and can verify. You are exaggerating the output power the LED jammer. LED jammers aren't that powerful compared to the LI jammers
Simply put you need 2 LED jammer heads to meet the power of the a single LED jammer
The Video you have of the LI not jamming the TruSpeed is of the European TruSpeed in which it is known that only the Anti-Laser and Laser Interceptor are the only to jammers that can jam the EU TruSpeed version
I understand the video shows an EU gun, I was just trying to prove the point that being able to find videos on YouTube validates nothing (DeputyDog suggested that because there are vids on YT showing the ZR4s getting punch through, they don't work...)
"Good enough" may be good enough for you, but not for me. I want the best when it comes to countermeasures. As long as it's not priced so unreasonably that there is a point of diminishing returns (ie LI HP), then I'm going to buy it. If someone bests the LI, then I'll buy that. My loyalty lies with whatever is the best product on the market....
So if you're so compelled to have the best, why are you driving with that insensitive V1? Man, what are you thinking? (Save me the propaganda about the arrows.)
Guess what bud? The 9500ci absolutely SMOKES the V1 in regard to sensitivity. I'm not talking about 10% more. I'm talking about 50-80% more, as documented by the GOL. If you can afford the LI's, you can surely afford a 9500ci... What are you waiting for?
I'm being sarcastic of course, because I'm not as close minded as you. The 9500ci is a lot more sensitive. Does that mean that the V1 is junk now? No. It just means there is something better out there. The V1 is still a great detector. I'm not going to berate someone who choses one, the way you are berating me. It was a great detector the day before the 9500ci was introduced, and it was equally as good the day after.
Same holds true for the ZR3/4s. Before the LIs came on the scene, everyone was raving about them. The LIs came out with some kick *** performance, and suddenly the Z3/4s are junk...? Please....
You suffer from what I call PJS. That's Purchase Justification Syndrome, something I see so often on forums. You need to justify your purchase so badly that you are incapable of admitting that there are other good products.
Look at the GOL tests... The escort performed miserably. I've been there for testing on the K40 and Blinder. Both those units tested poorly as well. Although the Blinder did do better than the K40.
I don't care if a product is "pretty" or not. My only concern is that works as advertised.
I don't care if a product is "pretty" or not. My only concern is that works as advertised.
No. I wouldn't buy a Cobra or a V1, or an Escort 9500ix, 8500 X50, etc... I thought I had mentioned that I don't want a windshield mount, didn't I?
Deputy you are talking to a guy that is full JTG and JFG with a LI Quad.
But I have used many other jammers. And never had a laser ticket since I started using a laser jammer. Heck I even used a Blinder M20 in which I could easily get over 1000ft punchthrough on but still never got a ticket
But I have used many other jammers. And never had a laser ticket since I started using a laser jammer. Heck I even used a Blinder M20 in which I could easily get over 1000ft punchthrough on but still never got a ticket
BS...! You're M20s didn't work AT ALL. Every time you went through a speed trap the angel of mercy laid his wand on the police officer so he would take it into his heart to not ticket you for the speeds you were doing. Haven't you read this thread? DD made it very clear that just because you didn't get a ticket doesn't mean your jammer worked.
Oh please man. I've driven somewhere between 100,000 and 125,000 miles with my SRX since 2002 and blazed through 75 or more laser traps, probably 20 of which I was the clear target and way over the limit. Since it's clear that the ZR3s don't work, I guess the angel was working some overtime on my behalf too.
Excuse me for testing every jammer under the sun. And doing work with GOL in the past. I was the one shooting the laser guns for the single head testing in March 2006.
GOL test on a worst case scenario vehicle and they were complete biased to the Diode jammers. The past GOL laser test was the worse one they ever did to date
GOL test on a worst case scenario vehicle and they were complete biased to the Diode jammers. The past GOL laser test was the worse one they ever did to date
Total LI zombie. Neither you nor I can change that.
#160
04-26-2009, 09:01 AM
Deputy you are talking to a guy that is full JTG and JFG with a LI Quad.
But I have used many other jammers. And never had a laser ticket since I started using a laser jammer. Heck I even used a Blinder M20 in which I could easily get over 1000ft punchthrough on but still never got a ticket
Deputy all you are doing is making me want to Drive down meet up with Gator Bite shoot him with my laser gun to prove he has a decent set-up. Willing to bet his ride is capable of JTGing my Laser Atlanta
Excuse me for testing every jammer under the sun. And doing work with GOL in the past. I was the one shoting the laser guns for the single head testing in March 2006.
GOL test on a worst case senerio vehicle and they were complete biased to the Diode jammers. The past GOL laser test was the worse one they ever did to date
LI isn't for everybody I know Before I had the LI i used almost every other jammer and was ticket free. Shock. Deputy you are worst than V1 zombies
But I have used many other jammers. And never had a laser ticket since I started using a laser jammer. Heck I even used a Blinder M20 in which I could easily get over 1000ft punchthrough on but still never got a ticket
Deputy all you are doing is making me want to Drive down meet up with Gator Bite shoot him with my laser gun to prove he has a decent set-up. Willing to bet his ride is capable of JTGing my Laser Atlanta
Excuse me for testing every jammer under the sun. And doing work with GOL in the past. I was the one shoting the laser guns for the single head testing in March 2006.
GOL test on a worst case senerio vehicle and they were complete biased to the Diode jammers. The past GOL laser test was the worse one they ever did to date
LI isn't for everybody I know Before I had the LI i used almost every other jammer and was ticket free. Shock. Deputy you are worst than V1 zombies
Just because you didn't get a ticket using other jammers doesn't mean they worked. You know better than that. I have a different perspective than most of you because I was a cop for 15 years.... I didn't just go out and play with this equipment on Sunday afternoons for youtube, I used it in my profession and actually had the discretion as to when to and not to pull someone over. Most of you wouldn't understand this, but just because you get a reading on someone doesn't mean you're going to throw on the blues and knock them off.
You should technically call me a V1/LI zombie. However, I am considering the escort once the dust settles around this true lock feature. I'm still not sure I can live without the arows either...
No, I'm not willing to bet you'll get JTG against the Laser Atlanta. That was pretty much the only gun that the Escort does well against. Why don't you bring a Truspeed gun, wich Gator says they use in his area, and then proceed to tear his car up with mirror and roof line shots. Hell you can probably eat him alive with straight headlight shots with the Truspeed
You keep saying the LI isn't for everybody. That's fine... Let me ask you this though.
Is there a better unit on the market for laser jamming than the LI right now as I'm writing this?
#161
04-26-2009, 09:46 AM
I may have chosen the wrong hypothetical numbers to make my point. I didn't mean to suggest the ZR4 is anywhere near as effective as the Laser Diode LIs. I understand that is not the case. What I meant to convey is that the ZR4s do work, and I think it may be possible to improve them (just a theory at this point in time).
I understand the video shows an EU gun, I was just trying to prove the point that being able to find videos on YouTube validates nothing (DeputyDog suggested that because there are vids on YT showing the ZR4s getting punch through, they don't work...)
Read some more of my posts. I don't think you will find any attempt by me to discredit the LI's. They clearly occupy the top of the performance spectrum.
I might. But if you've read my previous posts you'll know that I would rather not turn my car into a circus wagon full of gadgets. Having one discretely installed unit installed nicely into my car is of high value to me. I also have somewhat limited real estate on the front of my car, so installing another 2 heads is not realistic.
Once again, you don't pay attention very well. I installed the unit myself, and I got a great deal on the 9500ci.
Your priority list is a little different than mine. You don't mind having three or four different products in your car, you're even OK with slapping a unit on your windshield. I won't even put my EZ Pass on my glass.
So if you're so compelled to have the best, why are you driving with that insensitive V1? Man, what are you thinking? (Save me the propaganda about the arrows.)
Guess what bud? The 9500ci absolutely SMOKES the V1 in regard to sensitivity. I'm not talking about 10% more. I'm talking about 50-80% more, as documented by the GOL. If you can afford the LI's, you can surely afford a 9500ci... What are you waiting for?
I'm being sarcastic of course, because I'm not as close minded as you. The 9500ci is a lot more sensitive. Does that mean that the V1 is junk now? No. It just means there is something better out there. The V1 is still a great detector. I'm not going to berate someone who choses one, the way you are berating me. It was a great detector the day before the 9500ci was introduced, and it was equally as good the day after.
Same holds true for the ZR3/4s. Before the LIs came on the scene, everyone was raving about them. The LIs came out with some kick *** performance, and suddenly the Z3/4s are junk...? Please....
You suffer from what I call PJS. That's Purchase Justification Syndrome, something I see so often on forums. You need to justify your purchase so badly that you are incapable of admitting that there are other good products.
That's great. I'm not going to challenge your priorities. Do me a favor, and try to accept mine. A cosmetically appealing product is important to me. I take the integrity of my Porsche very seriously. You would never find me installing a supercharger on it. But to each their own. If you don't mind doing that to your car, knock yourself out.
What....? Since when?
No. I wouldn't buy a Cobra or a V1, or an Escort 9500ix, 8500 X50, etc... I thought I had mentioned that I don't want a windshield mount, didn't I?
Rob,
BS...! You're M20s didn't work AT ALL. Every time you went through a speed trap the angel of mercy laid his wand on the police officer so he would take it into his heart to not ticket you for the speeds you were doing. Haven't you read this thread? DD made it very clear that just because you didn't get a ticket doesn't mean your jammer worked.
Oh please man. I've driven somewhere between 100,000 and 125,000 miles with my SRX since 2002 and blazed through 75 or more laser traps, probably 20 of which I was the clear target and way over the limit. Since it's clear that the ZR3s don't work, I guess the angel was working some overtime on my behalf too.
Lets do it. I'll even come to you. I'd love to know the strengths and weaknesses of my system so I can address them appropriately. And maybe even document some before/after results.
Thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to say. There are several jamming systems out there that work well. It drives me crazy that the LI fan boys try to paint this picture that if there is a better performing unit, then every other product doesn't work. Please.....
Total LI zombie. Neither you nor I can change that.
I understand the video shows an EU gun, I was just trying to prove the point that being able to find videos on YouTube validates nothing (DeputyDog suggested that because there are vids on YT showing the ZR4s getting punch through, they don't work...)
Read some more of my posts. I don't think you will find any attempt by me to discredit the LI's. They clearly occupy the top of the performance spectrum.
I might. But if you've read my previous posts you'll know that I would rather not turn my car into a circus wagon full of gadgets. Having one discretely installed unit installed nicely into my car is of high value to me. I also have somewhat limited real estate on the front of my car, so installing another 2 heads is not realistic.
Once again, you don't pay attention very well. I installed the unit myself, and I got a great deal on the 9500ci.
Your priority list is a little different than mine. You don't mind having three or four different products in your car, you're even OK with slapping a unit on your windshield. I won't even put my EZ Pass on my glass.
So if you're so compelled to have the best, why are you driving with that insensitive V1? Man, what are you thinking? (Save me the propaganda about the arrows.)
Guess what bud? The 9500ci absolutely SMOKES the V1 in regard to sensitivity. I'm not talking about 10% more. I'm talking about 50-80% more, as documented by the GOL. If you can afford the LI's, you can surely afford a 9500ci... What are you waiting for?
I'm being sarcastic of course, because I'm not as close minded as you. The 9500ci is a lot more sensitive. Does that mean that the V1 is junk now? No. It just means there is something better out there. The V1 is still a great detector. I'm not going to berate someone who choses one, the way you are berating me. It was a great detector the day before the 9500ci was introduced, and it was equally as good the day after.
Same holds true for the ZR3/4s. Before the LIs came on the scene, everyone was raving about them. The LIs came out with some kick *** performance, and suddenly the Z3/4s are junk...? Please....
You suffer from what I call PJS. That's Purchase Justification Syndrome, something I see so often on forums. You need to justify your purchase so badly that you are incapable of admitting that there are other good products.
That's great. I'm not going to challenge your priorities. Do me a favor, and try to accept mine. A cosmetically appealing product is important to me. I take the integrity of my Porsche very seriously. You would never find me installing a supercharger on it. But to each their own. If you don't mind doing that to your car, knock yourself out.
What....? Since when?
No. I wouldn't buy a Cobra or a V1, or an Escort 9500ix, 8500 X50, etc... I thought I had mentioned that I don't want a windshield mount, didn't I?
Rob,
BS...! You're M20s didn't work AT ALL. Every time you went through a speed trap the angel of mercy laid his wand on the police officer so he would take it into his heart to not ticket you for the speeds you were doing. Haven't you read this thread? DD made it very clear that just because you didn't get a ticket doesn't mean your jammer worked.
Oh please man. I've driven somewhere between 100,000 and 125,000 miles with my SRX since 2002 and blazed through 75 or more laser traps, probably 20 of which I was the clear target and way over the limit. Since it's clear that the ZR3s don't work, I guess the angel was working some overtime on my behalf too.
Lets do it. I'll even come to you. I'd love to know the strengths and weaknesses of my system so I can address them appropriately. And maybe even document some before/after results.
Thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to say. There are several jamming systems out there that work well. It drives me crazy that the LI fan boys try to paint this picture that if there is a better performing unit, then every other product doesn't work. Please.....
Total LI zombie. Neither you nor I can change that.
As far as a wagon full of circus gadgets, my car is hardly that. The only interior clue that I have the LI is the rocker switch hidden in the armrest cubby. Other than that, nothing. The CPU and speaker are under the lower dash panel where they can't be seen, but can be heard.
My V1 is mounted and hardwired on the top of the windshield. I have the V1 remote display mounted in almost the same place you have yours. The V1 does not illuminate when the remote display is plugged in. Most people don't even know it's there. The length of wire running to the unit is approx 1.5 inches. Hardly a mess. Most people don't even notice in the car till the audio alerts go off. But I do have that extra piece of equipment out in the open that you do not.
Yes, the Escort does have better sensitivity than the V1. That's proven. However, there is a point of diminishing returns. The V1 gives you more than enough warning distance to decide what to do. Having it tell you 2 miles, or even 10 miles out isn't much an added benefit as far as I'm concerned. My V1 has always gone off painfully early, almost to the point where you're asking "Where the hell is the trap already?" How much more warning do I need? I am very impressed with the GPS functionality of the Escort. That is a great feature.
The escort jammers are weak. I could have bought whatever I wanted... I gave myself a pretty big budget. I'm not trying to justify my purchase. The K40's are crap too. The blinders, medicore at best. I've seen these units tested in person. Sorry, get over it. You wanted a tidy little package that looks pretty and you got it. Too bad it's seriously lacking in the laser department. I got my LI unit 9 months ago. Pretty much every unit that is on the market was available at the time of my purchase. I wanted the best performing unit so I bought it. I've been using V1 for years now. However, as stated above, I am considering the Escort once I know this true lock business is all fixed.
Two reasons I never buy all in one units. There is always a sacrfice in performance in some part of the system. Always.... The other reason is that eventually something fails, and then the whole system goes out. If my V1 fails, I send it back but I still have laser protection in the meantime with my LI.
You can call me a zombie if you like. However, I want the unit (laser or radar) that works the best under all scenarios, worst or best case. When someone sells a better laser jammer I'll buy that. Right now it's the LI. This same though process has me considering the Escort (windshield mount) for radar protection.
It's amazing that we're even having this conversation and you've never even tested your setup
As far as my supercharger goes.... how did we get on that? I suppose if you bought a TT then you would never uprade the turbos or ECU either... I like modding my 996. I'm running out of things to put on it at this point. I'm glad you're satisfied with 300hp (assuming you have a S). I'm not.
#162
04-26-2009, 10:35 AM
I already know who are you are from RD.net.
Just because you didn't get a ticket using other jammers doesn't mean they worked. You know better than that. I have a different perspective than most of you because I was a cop for 15 years.... I didn't just go out and play with this equipment on Sunday afternoons for youtube, I used it in my profession and actually had the discretion as to when to and not to pull someone over. Most of you wouldn't understand this, but just because you get a reading on someone doesn't mean you're going to throw on the blues and knock them off.
So cops don't pull people who are cruising 20-25mph over the limit? I am not a person that cruises at 10-15 over thinking I am saved. Sorry I do more than just play with the equipment I have even taught 2 police departments effective laser use. People who test out set-ups are more than just people playing with laser guns they are pretty much professionals with all the experience. On where the aim
You should technically call me a V1/LI zombie. However, I am considering the escort once the dust settles around this true lock feature. I'm still not sure I can live without the arows either...
No, I'm not willing to bet you'll get JTG against the Laser Atlanta. That was pretty much the only gun that the Escort does well against. Why don't you bring a Truspeed gun, wich Gator says they use in his area, and then proceed to tear his car up with mirror and roof line shots. Hell you can probably eat him alive with straight headlight shots with the Truspeed
I don't own a TruSpeed sorry life of a law student doesn't pay well. BTWs ELVATO with just 2x zr4 heads up front on his expedition almost JTG's it. Its been proven by other members on the forum that the TruSpeed is easily jammed by the zr4s. Roof line and mirror shots are not real world.
You keep saying the LI isn't for everybody. That's fine... Let me ask you this though.
Is there a better unit on the market for laser jamming than the LI right now as I'm writing this?
Just because you didn't get a ticket using other jammers doesn't mean they worked. You know better than that. I have a different perspective than most of you because I was a cop for 15 years.... I didn't just go out and play with this equipment on Sunday afternoons for youtube, I used it in my profession and actually had the discretion as to when to and not to pull someone over. Most of you wouldn't understand this, but just because you get a reading on someone doesn't mean you're going to throw on the blues and knock them off.
So cops don't pull people who are cruising 20-25mph over the limit? I am not a person that cruises at 10-15 over thinking I am saved. Sorry I do more than just play with the equipment I have even taught 2 police departments effective laser use. People who test out set-ups are more than just people playing with laser guns they are pretty much professionals with all the experience. On where the aim
You should technically call me a V1/LI zombie. However, I am considering the escort once the dust settles around this true lock feature. I'm still not sure I can live without the arows either...
No, I'm not willing to bet you'll get JTG against the Laser Atlanta. That was pretty much the only gun that the Escort does well against. Why don't you bring a Truspeed gun, wich Gator says they use in his area, and then proceed to tear his car up with mirror and roof line shots. Hell you can probably eat him alive with straight headlight shots with the Truspeed
I don't own a TruSpeed sorry life of a law student doesn't pay well. BTWs ELVATO with just 2x zr4 heads up front on his expedition almost JTG's it. Its been proven by other members on the forum that the TruSpeed is easily jammed by the zr4s. Roof line and mirror shots are not real world.
You keep saying the LI isn't for everybody. That's fine... Let me ask you this though.
Is there a better unit on the market for laser jamming than the LI right now as I'm writing this?
The laser guns haven't changed much since the LI reached the states and before then all the stealth people were using LED jammers with no tickets. Don't discredit the LED jammers. They are still great performer in the real world
I really wish I had money to burn I would spend the $300 to stealth out my full size pickup with 2 head LED jammer and VEIL to prove that stealth can come at a budget
#163
04-26-2009, 10:54 AM
Currently there is not a better performing unit on the market BUT these other jammers on the market still will perform well enough to save you a ticket. JTG in testing is nice but it isn't everything. Also the there have been events where the LI hasn't done so well in Houston texus with consistent 900ft punchththroughs where the other jammers were JTG or sub 500ft punchthroughs. Just cause a person buys a jammer that is JTG in testing event in real world testing it may not be that perfect. What about Pmoth's EVO with 1000ft punchthroughs on PL3 and 600ft on th Stalker LZ1.
The laser guns haven't changed much since the LI reached the states and before then all the stealth people were using LED jammers with no tickets. Don't discredit the LED jammers. They are still great performer in the real world
I really wish I had money to burn I would spend the $300 to stealth out my full size pickup with 2 head LED jammer and VEIL to prove that stealth can come at a budget
The laser guns haven't changed much since the LI reached the states and before then all the stealth people were using LED jammers with no tickets. Don't discredit the LED jammers. They are still great performer in the real world
I really wish I had money to burn I would spend the $300 to stealth out my full size pickup with 2 head LED jammer and VEIL to prove that stealth can come at a budget
I can't account for the performance discrepancies you're citing in the other tests. Did their install suck, were the heads level, did they get a bad unit? Who knows... Roofline and mirrors shots are becoming a reality my friend. While many LEO's shoot center mass, many traffic enforcement officer now know the score and reading this crap we're typing
I don't understand this "real world" testing garbage that everyone keeps saying when their units don't perform well. If they don't work on a 1/2 mile straight road with the tester shooting center mass, they're certainly not going to work in a more extreme scenario. I've shot laser and radar before as a LEO. Testing like you see in the videos is no different.
Hey, if there people out there that want to save a bucks by purchasing LEDS and paint **** all over the front of their car, go for it. Or you can buy a solid laser diode device (not just LI) and get full coverage and be done with it. I don't feel comfortable knowing that I am going to have to lock my brakes and cross my fingers hoping that the LEO did not get a reading. I'm confident knowing that 99% I'm getting JTG with every gun.
And I'm not guessing this is going to happen or quoting internet facts, as I've taken every major gun on the market and shot my car with it. Front and rear (although the rears were only temp installed). I know for a fact how my unit is going to perform in the real world, whereas most of you are just "hoping" it works as advertised
I wish you LED users the best of luck out there! You saved $200-300, but what is your peace of mind worth? Buy the best and you'll never be disapointed. And FWIW, the whole argument that it will give me enough time to slow down before he gets a reading is BS. That's if you're paying full attention, not text messaging or on the cell phone, and covering your brake pedal waiting for the alert. For those that think the LI is expensive, how much will that ticket and your insurance premiums cost over the next 3-5 years if you get tagged?
I'm not saying you need to get a LI, but the expense of of LED plus veil, is not cheap so why not just the laser diode unit. Get the Laser Park Pro. That's a good unit too! When it comes to countermeasures, I want extreme overkill
#164
04-27-2009, 06:34 AM
As far as my supercharger goes.... how did we get on that? I suppose if you bought a TT then you would never upgrade the turbos or ECU either... I like modding my 996. I'm running out of things to put on it at this point. I'm glad you're satisfied with 300hp (assuming you have a S). I'm not.
Is it me, or are your posts full of contradictions and hypocrisy?
Contradiction #1. You say:
"Good enough" may be good enough for you, but not for me. I want the best when it comes to countermeasures. As long as it's not priced so unreasonably that there is a point of diminishing returns (ie LI HP), then I'm going to buy it. If someone bests the LI, then I'll buy that. My loyalty lies with whatever is the best product on the market....
I don't feel comfortable knowing that I am going to have to lock my brakes and cross my fingers hoping that the LEO did not get a reading.
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And FWIW, the whole argument that it will give me enough time to slow down before he gets a reading is BS. That's if you're paying full attention, not text messaging or on the cell phone, and covering your brake pedal waiting for the alert.
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And FWIW, the whole argument that it will give me enough time to slow down before he gets a reading is BS. That's if you're paying full attention, not text messaging or on the cell phone, and covering your brake pedal waiting for the alert.
Contradiction #2, you say:
Make up your mind. Look, I respect your experience, and your persistence. You have some good points about the LI products. I only disagree with your insistence to dismiss every other product than the combination you've chosen. A 997 Turbo owner could easily criticize your choice to supercharge a 996 and dismiss your car as rubbish. Then a GT-2 owner could do the same to the 997 Turbo owner. Then a Carrera GT owner could do the same to the GT-2 owner, and so on. My point is, simply, just because there is something better out there doesn't mean anything with less performance is junk.
#165
04-27-2009, 08:01 AM
Oh come on now. Are we reaching a little? We're not talking about a VCR/DVD/TV combo here. We're talking about a radar/laser protection package. These things are highly reliable solid state devices with no moving parts that are prone to failure.
We got on that because I was trying to establish that I have a different comfort level with modifications than you do. I'm not picking on your supercharger, or your car, I am just saying that you are obviously comfortable with adding a supercharger, I am not. I am trying to establish that there are different strokes for different folks.
Oh, and you were there for the GOL test? Were you able to adequately examine the products, installs, etc....?
Is it me, or are your posts full of contradictions and hypocrisy?
Contradiction #1. You say:
Then you say:
Contradiction #2, you say:
Then you say:
Make up your mind. Look, I respect your experience, and your persistence. You have some good points about the LI products. I only disagree with your insistence to dismiss every other product than the combination you've chosen. A 997 Turbo owner could easily criticize your choice to supercharge a 996 and dismiss your car as rubbish. Then a GT-2 owner could do the same to the 997 Turbo owner. Then a Carrera GT owner could do the same to the GT-2 owner, and so on. My point is, simply, just because there is something better out there doesn't mean anything with less performance is junk.
We got on that because I was trying to establish that I have a different comfort level with modifications than you do. I'm not picking on your supercharger, or your car, I am just saying that you are obviously comfortable with adding a supercharger, I am not. I am trying to establish that there are different strokes for different folks.
Oh, and you were there for the GOL test? Were you able to adequately examine the products, installs, etc....?
Is it me, or are your posts full of contradictions and hypocrisy?
Contradiction #1. You say:
Then you say:
Contradiction #2, you say:
Then you say:
Make up your mind. Look, I respect your experience, and your persistence. You have some good points about the LI products. I only disagree with your insistence to dismiss every other product than the combination you've chosen. A 997 Turbo owner could easily criticize your choice to supercharge a 996 and dismiss your car as rubbish. Then a GT-2 owner could do the same to the 997 Turbo owner. Then a Carrera GT owner could do the same to the GT-2 owner, and so on. My point is, simply, just because there is something better out there doesn't mean anything with less performance is junk.
My posts are neither contradictory nor contain hypocrisy. My message has not changed one bit since we started this conversation. Your attempt to take snippets of posts and weave them together to make it appear so is weak at best, much like your laser jammer
I've even complimented your radar unit. I think it's a great concept and have posted about it on RD.net. However, you bought one of the weaker performing laser units out for strictly cosmetic reasons and sorry, but I'm going to give you **** over that. There is a big difference between what I said about the V1's warning distance vs the Escort and 10th's of a second in a laser situation. If get a radar warning 1 mile, 5, miles, or 10 miles out... what difference will it make? I will be alerted so far down the road there is plenty of time to make a decision. The V1 gives warning at such absurb distances that there is no urgency unless it's an instant on situation. No slamming of brakes or diving into the right lane. It's very different with an LED unit, especially for the one you chose. You don't have a mile to figure out what happening. You'll need to react instantly (locking the brakes) and hope for the best that he didn't get punchthrough while still at speed. Me, I casually slow down and coast through the jammer trap. I've done it many times now. You can do that when you have confidence that your unit works.
How is it contradictory if I say I want a product that has over the top performance versus a LED unit with Veil painted all over the car? LED are proven to not have the same level of performance as laser diode units and as far as the longetivity of veil... How do you know when it's finally worn off? When you get a ticket???
As far as your analogy at the end, it doesn't really translate. I think we can all agree that the price differences between those vehicles doesn't even put them in a similar category to compare them (Those vehicles range from $30K to $500K). Although if you must know I have know I have no problem walking stock 996 turbos and I can keep up with 997 turbos so I feel pretty good about my modding
The price difference between the LI and a LED unit with veil is not so great to dissuade someone from purchasing it. Especially considering the huge performance advantage. If you can't afford a LI, then you can't. Buy the best you can afford. Clearly you can though and chose to go a different direction.
You have a very cool car and extremely trick installation. I've enjoyed this back and forth banter. It's always interesting and you learn a lot. I'm going to bow out now and let this continue on