Radar Detectors - What Is The Best One Out There?
#121
04-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Find out what is in use in Connecticut at this site:
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?stid=9
Digital scanners that Radio Shack has to offer:
http://www.radioshack.com/compare/in...072&cp=2032052
Last edited by RaDaRkInG; 04-09-2009 at 09:23 PM.
#122
04-09-2009, 09:44 PM
I use the Uniden BCT 15 - not listening to the actual traffic. All the HP guys wear a belt xmtr that xmits back to their car radio ( for when they exit the car for a stop).They turn it on whenever they are in the car & leave it on. The BCT listens for traffic on the circuit and usually gives a 2 mile warning.Also monitors air - grd freqs for traffic.It's switched from state to state and is preloaded with most frequencies.Although I don't hear the actual traffic it lets me know that there is activity nearby so I slow down and get real vigilant and closely watch the 9500xi. Look it up on the Uniden website - avail at all major truck stops for under $300.
#123
04-10-2009, 05:34 AM
I still don't understand how having a scanner will help with avoiding tickets. As far as I know, LE in my area do not wear that transmitter you're referring to. They wear a separate portable radio on their belt with a lapel mic.
Without listening to all the transmissions and hoping that they identify their location, how is this helpful?
Now if there was a device that could detect transmissions transmissions on those frequencies within two miles or so... I could see how that work. However, with the use of repeaters etc... I don't know how you could pinpoint the transmission location.
Without listening to all the transmissions and hoping that they identify their location, how is this helpful?
Now if there was a device that could detect transmissions transmissions on those frequencies within two miles or so... I could see how that work. However, with the use of repeaters etc... I don't know how you could pinpoint the transmission location.
#124
04-10-2009, 08:48 AM
Correct - does not pinpoint location.In a dense environment it isn't much use but when I drive from Las Vegas to Denver there are long (100+ miles from Green River Ut to the CO line) where the local police and an occasional Utah highway patrol do run occasional traps but only occasionally. The scanner lets me know that there is some activity in the generally enforcement free area.Early warning means slow down and pay close attention to the detector and watch overpasses etc.
#126
04-13-2009, 12:31 PM
If money were no object, and you didn't mind having a number of different products, one would go with all of the below:
- 9500ci ($1,600) - The most sensitive detector on the planet, plus traffic camera protection, excellent laser detection and decent laser jamming for smaller cars. Because of GPS true lock, it's superior to anything at handling X and K false signals.
- Laser Interceptor HP Quad ($2,450) - The most effective laser jammers, period. This would be particularly beneficial on larger vehicles, silver vehicles, or vehicles with a lot of chrome.
- Valentine 1 ($400) - Best performance against Instant On Ka band radar. Turn off X and K band and let the V1 handle Ka band and give you arrows. Let the Escot handle X, K and Ka band.
For me, I wanted my install to be neat, clean and consistent with the quality of my car and it's interior. I didn't want anything hanging off my windshield. The 9500ci provides the most complete protection with some kick butt performance. If Escort put laser diodes in their shifters instead of IR LEDs, they would totally own the market.
#127
04-14-2009, 06:58 AM
Hard to say what's 'the best'. It all depends on the user and his/her priorities.
If money were no object, and you didn't mind having a number of different products, one would go with all of the below:
For me, I wanted my install to be neat, clean and consistent with the quality of my car and it's interior. I didn't want anything hanging off my windshield. The 9500ci provides the most complete protection with some kick butt performance. If Escort put laser diodes in their shifters instead of IR LEDs, they would totally own the market.
If money were no object, and you didn't mind having a number of different products, one would go with all of the below:
- 9500ci ($1,600) - The most sensitive detector on the planet, plus traffic camera protection, excellent laser detection and decent laser jamming for smaller cars. Because of GPS true lock, it's superior to anything at handling X and K false signals.
- Laser Interceptor HP Quad ($2,450) - The most effective laser jammers, period. This would be particularly beneficial on larger vehicles, silver vehicles, or vehicles with a lot of chrome.
- Valentine 1 ($400) - Best performance against Instant On Ka band radar. Turn off X and K band and let the V1 handle Ka band and give you arrows. Let the Escot handle X, K and Ka band.
For me, I wanted my install to be neat, clean and consistent with the quality of my car and it's interior. I didn't want anything hanging off my windshield. The 9500ci provides the most complete protection with some kick butt performance. If Escort put laser diodes in their shifters instead of IR LEDs, they would totally own the market.
#128
04-14-2009, 09:57 AM
True Lock is just another filtering method, and arguably the most accurate and effective filter method ever conceived. Every filtering method carries risk. Is there a risk that True Lock could lockout a real LEO/threat? Sure there is. But if you learn the detector, True Lock and how to properly use it with a little common sense, that risk is microscopic and the upside is monumental.
So let's look at the True Lock risk, one by one.
1). Risk of a LEO setting up a trap in an area where you have a locked out false signal.
First, because True Lock doesn't work on Ka band, and very few authorities still use X band, we can assume this is most likely a K band threat.
Fact: True Lock allows a frequency drift of 30 MHz. So it would only lock out this radar gun if it's frequency almost exactly matched that of the locked-out out source (within 30 MHz, or 0.030 GHz). This is very unlikely, but let's assume that it's true.
We know that a 9500ci is super sensitive on K band (more on this later), and we know that a real K band threat will give us 0.5 - 2.0 miles of warning. We also know that a K band door opener works with much lower power output and I can tell you from experience that True Lock uses a lockout radius of 0.2 miles or ~ 1,000 feet.
So, if an LEO set up shop in a radius of a K band false signal, with a radar gun that is at the exact same frequency as the locked out false signal (very unlikely) the 9500ci is going to see the signal far outside the lockout radius and it's going to alert you.
2). Risk of a Law enforcement officer setting up shop in the same place, three times in row, using the same gun.
OK, if this happened, Auto Learn would identify the source as a false signal. But this officer would have to be in the same place, using the same radar gun for three consecutive passes of your car. If he's missing on pass 2 or 3, the count goes back to zero.
This is also very unlikely. Have you ever passed the same radar source in the same place three times in a row? And if you do, and you know your detector, you know it's going to lock it out, so you can simply unlock it manually.
If you don't want to, or don't know how to unlock it manually, just wait and drive the speed limit in that area for the next few passes (which should be a no brainier in any area where you see a radar trap three times in a row). After a certain number of passes (unknown to me) in which that signal is not present, Auto Unlearn will remove the entry from the database automatically.
3). Risk of a user manually locking out a real LEO.
This is probably the biggest risk. That's why I say True Lock users need to learn their detector, understand True Lock and use it with care. If common sense is used, and the owners manuals suggestions are followed, this risk is preventable.
Auto Unlearn can also undo this mistake.
Want to know what I think is a much larger risk? The Boy Who Cried Wolf. That's the V1. It squawks so damn much that a user can become desensitized to it's alerts and may not react properly when a real threat is encountered. They might smack the mute button and keep on rolling. Or worse, they may turn it off or down when in a noisy area and forget to turn it back on/up. This presents a MUCH larger risk to detector users than True Lock.First, because True Lock doesn't work on Ka band, and very few authorities still use X band, we can assume this is most likely a K band threat.
Fact: True Lock allows a frequency drift of 30 MHz. So it would only lock out this radar gun if it's frequency almost exactly matched that of the locked-out out source (within 30 MHz, or 0.030 GHz). This is very unlikely, but let's assume that it's true.
We know that a 9500ci is super sensitive on K band (more on this later), and we know that a real K band threat will give us 0.5 - 2.0 miles of warning. We also know that a K band door opener works with much lower power output and I can tell you from experience that True Lock uses a lockout radius of 0.2 miles or ~ 1,000 feet.
So, if an LEO set up shop in a radius of a K band false signal, with a radar gun that is at the exact same frequency as the locked out false signal (very unlikely) the 9500ci is going to see the signal far outside the lockout radius and it's going to alert you.
2). Risk of a Law enforcement officer setting up shop in the same place, three times in row, using the same gun.
OK, if this happened, Auto Learn would identify the source as a false signal. But this officer would have to be in the same place, using the same radar gun for three consecutive passes of your car. If he's missing on pass 2 or 3, the count goes back to zero.
This is also very unlikely. Have you ever passed the same radar source in the same place three times in a row? And if you do, and you know your detector, you know it's going to lock it out, so you can simply unlock it manually.
If you don't want to, or don't know how to unlock it manually, just wait and drive the speed limit in that area for the next few passes (which should be a no brainier in any area where you see a radar trap three times in a row). After a certain number of passes (unknown to me) in which that signal is not present, Auto Unlearn will remove the entry from the database automatically.
3). Risk of a user manually locking out a real LEO.
This is probably the biggest risk. That's why I say True Lock users need to learn their detector, understand True Lock and use it with care. If common sense is used, and the owners manuals suggestions are followed, this risk is preventable.
Auto Unlearn can also undo this mistake.
Or, let's talk about J Lock. J lock is a V1 filtering method that is supposed to help reduce false signals caused by cheap radar detectors. J stands for Junk Detector. When the V1 sees something it 'thinks' is a false signal caused by a Junk detector, it dismisses the warning and displays a "J". There are many V1 users complaining that their detector dismissed REAL LEOs as a Junk Detector, on Ka band, a band that represents the most serious radar threat. That's not cool. That could send you blazing right into a real short range radar trap without appropriate warning
. That's why I said one should keep the Escort's Ka band on even though the V1 would be detecting Ka band. Because J lock is Junk and in my opinion a huge risk to V1 users.You V1 fans kill me. Most of you have your units programmed to stay silent on K band until the signal passes a certain signal strength, so it doesn't drive you nuts. That's guaranteed to lock out EVERY K band threat until you're close to it. This is effectively castrating the sensitivity of the detector.
The 9500ci has been tested against a number of different V1s and it smoked them all on Ka band, the most dangerous radar. Here are the results form the Guys of Lidar:
On Run 1, the two 9500ci's delivered on average 54% more range. On run two, 55% more.
As if that wasn't compelling enough, on K band the 9500ci absolutely stomped on the V1.
On Run 1, the two 9500ci's averaged 79% more warning range than the five V1's. On Run 2, 87% more. This is all possible because of True Lock, and this backs up my claim that a 9500ci will deliver a warning long before it reaches it's 1,000 foot lockout radius.
(Keep in mind that the Guys of Lidar use attenuation foam to make their test gun emit less power than an unattenuated gun, so they don't need a 10 mile test course. A real live police K band gun will provide much more warning that what we see here.)
The V1 has slightly more than half of the K band sensitivity of the 9500ci and it's known to be the noisiest detector on the market. Conversely the 9500ci is the most sensitive, and it's among the quietest detectors on the market. When it speaks up, you know it's time to slow down.
Tag, you're it......
Last edited by Gator Bite; 04-14-2009 at 10:04 AM.
#129
04-17-2009, 06:02 AM
Oh boy.. Here we go again. Let me guess, you have a V1.....? Right?
True Lock is just another filtering method, and arguably the most accurate and effective filter method ever conceived. Every filtering method carries risk. Is there a risk that True Lock could lockout a real LEO/threat? Sure there is. But if you learn the detector, True Lock and how to properly use it with a little common sense, that risk is microscopic and the upside is monumental.
So let's look at the True Lock risk, one by one.
Or, let's talk about J Lock. J lock is a V1 filtering method that is supposed to help reduce false signals caused by cheap radar detectors. J stands for Junk Detector. When the V1 sees something it 'thinks' is a false signal caused by a Junk detector, it dismisses the warning and displays a "J". There are many V1 users complaining that their detector dismissed REAL LEOs as a Junk Detector, on Ka band, a band that represents the most serious radar threat. That's not cool. That could send you blazing right into a real short range radar trap without appropriate warning. That's why I said one should keep the Escort's Ka band on even though the V1 would be detecting Ka band. Because J lock is Junk and in my opinion a huge risk to V1 users.
You V1 fans kill me. Most of you have your units programmed to stay silent on K band until the signal passes a certain signal strength, so it doesn't drive you nuts. That's guaranteed to lock out EVERY K band threat until you're close to it. This is effectively castrating the sensitivity of the detector.
The 9500ci has been tested against a number of different V1s and it smoked them all on Ka band, the most dangerous radar. Here are the results form the Guys of Lidar:
On Run 1, the two 9500ci's delivered on average 54% more range. On run two, 55% more.
As if that wasn't compelling enough, on K band the 9500ci absolutely stomped on the V1.
On Run 1, the two 9500ci's averaged 79% more warning range than the five V1's. On Run 2, 87% more. This is all possible because of True Lock, and this backs up my claim that a 9500ci will deliver a warning long before it reaches it's 1,000 foot lockout radius.
(Keep in mind that the Guys of Lidar use attenuation foam to make their test gun emit less power than an unattenuated gun, so they don't need a 10 mile test course. A real live police K band gun will provide much more warning that what we see here.)
The V1 has slightly more than half of the K band sensitivity of the 9500ci and it's known to be the noisiest detector on the market. Conversely the 9500ci is the most sensitive, and it's among the quietest detectors on the market. When it speaks up, you know it's time to slow down.
Tag, you're it......
True Lock is just another filtering method, and arguably the most accurate and effective filter method ever conceived. Every filtering method carries risk. Is there a risk that True Lock could lockout a real LEO/threat? Sure there is. But if you learn the detector, True Lock and how to properly use it with a little common sense, that risk is microscopic and the upside is monumental.
So let's look at the True Lock risk, one by one.
1). Risk of a LEO setting up a trap in an area where you have a locked out false signal.
First, because True Lock doesn't work on Ka band, and very few authorities still use X band, we can assume this is most likely a K band threat.
Fact: True Lock allows a frequency drift of 30 MHz. So it would only lock out this radar gun if it's frequency almost exactly matched that of the locked-out out source (within 30 MHz, or 0.030 GHz). This is very unlikely, but let's assume that it's true.
We know that a 9500ci is super sensitive on K band (more on this later), and we know that a real K band threat will give us 0.5 - 2.0 miles of warning. We also know that a K band door opener works with much lower power output and I can tell you from experience that True Lock uses a lockout radius of 0.2 miles or ~ 1,000 feet.
So, if an LEO set up shop in a radius of a K band false signal, with a radar gun that is at the exact same frequency as the locked out false signal (very unlikely) the 9500ci is going to see the signal far outside the lockout radius and it's going to alert you.
2). Risk of a Law enforcement officer setting up shop in the same place, three times in row, using the same gun.
OK, if this happened, Auto Learn would identify the source as a false signal. But this officer would have to be in the same place, using the same radar gun for three consecutive passes of your car. If he's missing on pass 2 or 3, the count goes back to zero.
This is also very unlikely. Have you ever passed the same radar source in the same place three times in a row? And if you do, and you know your detector, you know it's going to lock it out, so you can simply unlock it manually.
If you don't want to, or don't know how to unlock it manually, just wait and drive the speed limit in that area for the next few passes (which should be a no brainier in any area where you see a radar trap three times in a row). After a certain number of passes (unknown to me) in which that signal is not present, Auto Unlearn will remove the entry from the database automatically.
3). Risk of a user manually locking out a real LEO.
This is probably the biggest risk. That's why I say True Lock users need to learn their detector, understand True Lock and use it with care. If common sense is used, and the owners manuals suggestions are followed, this risk is preventable.
Auto Unlearn can also undo this mistake.
Want to know what I think is a much larger risk? The Boy Who Cried Wolf. That's the V1. It squawks so damn much that a user can become desensitized to it's alerts and may not react properly when a real threat is encountered. They might smack the mute button and keep on rolling. Or worse, they may turn it off or down when in a noisy area and forget to turn it back on/up. This presents a MUCH larger risk to detector users than True Lock.First, because True Lock doesn't work on Ka band, and very few authorities still use X band, we can assume this is most likely a K band threat.
Fact: True Lock allows a frequency drift of 30 MHz. So it would only lock out this radar gun if it's frequency almost exactly matched that of the locked-out out source (within 30 MHz, or 0.030 GHz). This is very unlikely, but let's assume that it's true.
We know that a 9500ci is super sensitive on K band (more on this later), and we know that a real K band threat will give us 0.5 - 2.0 miles of warning. We also know that a K band door opener works with much lower power output and I can tell you from experience that True Lock uses a lockout radius of 0.2 miles or ~ 1,000 feet.
So, if an LEO set up shop in a radius of a K band false signal, with a radar gun that is at the exact same frequency as the locked out false signal (very unlikely) the 9500ci is going to see the signal far outside the lockout radius and it's going to alert you.
2). Risk of a Law enforcement officer setting up shop in the same place, three times in row, using the same gun.
OK, if this happened, Auto Learn would identify the source as a false signal. But this officer would have to be in the same place, using the same radar gun for three consecutive passes of your car. If he's missing on pass 2 or 3, the count goes back to zero.
This is also very unlikely. Have you ever passed the same radar source in the same place three times in a row? And if you do, and you know your detector, you know it's going to lock it out, so you can simply unlock it manually.
If you don't want to, or don't know how to unlock it manually, just wait and drive the speed limit in that area for the next few passes (which should be a no brainier in any area where you see a radar trap three times in a row). After a certain number of passes (unknown to me) in which that signal is not present, Auto Unlearn will remove the entry from the database automatically.
3). Risk of a user manually locking out a real LEO.
This is probably the biggest risk. That's why I say True Lock users need to learn their detector, understand True Lock and use it with care. If common sense is used, and the owners manuals suggestions are followed, this risk is preventable.
Auto Unlearn can also undo this mistake.
Or, let's talk about J Lock. J lock is a V1 filtering method that is supposed to help reduce false signals caused by cheap radar detectors. J stands for Junk Detector. When the V1 sees something it 'thinks' is a false signal caused by a Junk detector, it dismisses the warning and displays a "J". There are many V1 users complaining that their detector dismissed REAL LEOs as a Junk Detector, on Ka band, a band that represents the most serious radar threat. That's not cool. That could send you blazing right into a real short range radar trap without appropriate warning
. That's why I said one should keep the Escort's Ka band on even though the V1 would be detecting Ka band. Because J lock is Junk and in my opinion a huge risk to V1 users.You V1 fans kill me. Most of you have your units programmed to stay silent on K band until the signal passes a certain signal strength, so it doesn't drive you nuts. That's guaranteed to lock out EVERY K band threat until you're close to it. This is effectively castrating the sensitivity of the detector.
The 9500ci has been tested against a number of different V1s and it smoked them all on Ka band, the most dangerous radar. Here are the results form the Guys of Lidar:
On Run 1, the two 9500ci's delivered on average 54% more range. On run two, 55% more.
As if that wasn't compelling enough, on K band the 9500ci absolutely stomped on the V1.
On Run 1, the two 9500ci's averaged 79% more warning range than the five V1's. On Run 2, 87% more. This is all possible because of True Lock, and this backs up my claim that a 9500ci will deliver a warning long before it reaches it's 1,000 foot lockout radius.
(Keep in mind that the Guys of Lidar use attenuation foam to make their test gun emit less power than an unattenuated gun, so they don't need a 10 mile test course. A real live police K band gun will provide much more warning that what we see here.)
The V1 has slightly more than half of the K band sensitivity of the 9500ci and it's known to be the noisiest detector on the market. Conversely the 9500ci is the most sensitive, and it's among the quietest detectors on the market. When it speaks up, you know it's time to slow down.
Tag, you're it......
#130
04-17-2009, 08:42 AM
The V1 is basically useless in town. It gives off so many false alarms that I've run through a number of radar traps before I realized I was just ignoring it. As I posted earlier, my 9500ix is the one to use around town. When it goes off, I BRAKE if I need to. All the 'early detection' of the V1 is worthless if you're ignoring it, or if you question it and don't immediately take action.
#131
04-17-2009, 10:52 AM
Agree completely - I'd much rather know that an alert represents a real threat in my vacinity than to know where a false alarm is located (V1 arrows). A high false alarm rate will lead to ignoring the alarm - that's human nature.
#132
04-17-2009, 12:05 PM
The TrueLock feature on the Escort 9500i and Escort 9500ix is fundamentally flawed and it could result in a speeding ticket. The Escort 9500i and Escort 9500ix break K band down into 8 segments so when you TrueLock a K band false from a door opener, you have blocked 12.5% of K band that is shot in that particular segment in that 1/2 mile area. That is if you only block one door opener but most places have multiple door openers all operating in different segments of K band.
If you have 4 door openers that are in different segments, you will have blocked 50% of K band radar that is shot in that area regardless of whether it is from a door opener or a cop shooting K band within that 1/2 mile area. You will not receive an alert and you will receive a ticket if you are speeding. The only time the Escort will definitely alert in a TrueLocked area is if he is shooting Ka band because the Escort 9500i and Escort 9500ix will always alert to Ka band in a TrueLocked area.
Videos showing you why TrueLock = TrueFail:
Read what this Escort 9500ix user had to say about the GPS TrueLock feature. His Escort 9500ix with TrueLock has blocked out actual police radar 4 out of 6 times when he was in a TrueLock area which is a 66.66% failure rate and a 33.33% success rate.
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...leo-today.html
"I was driving a stretch of road that used to have two K band alerts in less than a mile. Now thanks to trulock, that stretch of road has been quiet for me.
But today it was too quiet. I was almost dead center between the two false alarm locations and noticed my satellite icon was still spinning. (It usually stops for a while in between the two locations.)
I reached up and hit the GPS button to disable GPS features and my ix instantly starts freaking out on K-band. (Very strong signal)
Sure enough, there is a LEO about a block ahead of me waiting to make a u-turn. He made the u-turn and took a side street shortly thereafter. As soon as he turned down the side street the K-band alert stopped and a few seconds after that, the CVS sounded a weak K-band alert as expected.
********As of 1/27/9 My 9500ix has "locked out" 4 LEOs (BAD) and alerted to two K-band LEO's in locked-out locations*************"
If you have 4 door openers that are in different segments, you will have blocked 50% of K band radar that is shot in that area regardless of whether it is from a door opener or a cop shooting K band within that 1/2 mile area. You will not receive an alert and you will receive a ticket if you are speeding. The only time the Escort will definitely alert in a TrueLocked area is if he is shooting Ka band because the Escort 9500i and Escort 9500ix will always alert to Ka band in a TrueLocked area.
Videos showing you why TrueLock = TrueFail:
Read what this Escort 9500ix user had to say about the GPS TrueLock feature. His Escort 9500ix with TrueLock has blocked out actual police radar 4 out of 6 times when he was in a TrueLock area which is a 66.66% failure rate and a 33.33% success rate.
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...leo-today.html
"I was driving a stretch of road that used to have two K band alerts in less than a mile. Now thanks to trulock, that stretch of road has been quiet for me.
But today it was too quiet. I was almost dead center between the two false alarm locations and noticed my satellite icon was still spinning. (It usually stops for a while in between the two locations.)
I reached up and hit the GPS button to disable GPS features and my ix instantly starts freaking out on K-band. (Very strong signal)
Sure enough, there is a LEO about a block ahead of me waiting to make a u-turn. He made the u-turn and took a side street shortly thereafter. As soon as he turned down the side street the K-band alert stopped and a few seconds after that, the CVS sounded a weak K-band alert as expected.
********As of 1/27/9 My 9500ix has "locked out" 4 LEOs (BAD) and alerted to two K-band LEO's in locked-out locations*************"
#133
04-17-2009, 02:45 PM
The TrueLock feature on the Escort 9500i and Escort 9500ix is fundamentally flawed and it could result in a speeding ticket. The Escort 9500i and Escort 9500ix break K band down into 8 segments so when you TrueLock a K band false from a door opener, you have blocked 12.5% of K band that is shot in that particular segment in that 1/2 mile area.
That is if you only block one door opener but most places have multiple door openers all operating in different segments of K band.
If you have 4 door openers that are in different segments, you will have blocked 50% of K band radar that is shot in that area regardless of whether it is from a door opener or a cop shooting K band within that 1/2 mile area. You will not receive an alert and you will receive a ticket if you are speeding.
If you have 4 door openers that are in different segments, you will have blocked 50% of K band radar that is shot in that area regardless of whether it is from a door opener or a cop shooting K band within that 1/2 mile area. You will not receive an alert and you will receive a ticket if you are speeding.
Originally Posted by Ace's Review
I decided to further test the big issue of the 9500ix locking out my K band bushnell with a lockout source with in 30 Mhz. I had to travel 40 miles to another city to finally find one. It was a nice set up street though having 3.8 miles of clear and straight road with a K band speed sign at the very end. I good easily get up to and maintain 90 MPH if I so desired but I was not that stupid. This road somewhat resembles the desert highway I refer to above except without curves and hills.
The frequency of the sign was 24.194 according to the 9500ix and my bushnell was at 24.135 so it was a nice 60 Mhz difference. I made a total of 25 passes on both sides and used almost a whole tank of gas just for this testing. No worries though I am happy to do it for my fellow enthusiasts and myself as well. I began by traveling 3.0 miles away from the sign which worked out perfect as there was a legal u turn spot right at 3.0 miles so call it luck for Ace!
The first three passes it alerts about an average distance of 2.0 miles away from the sign. I had it mounted up high and to the left of the RVM where I normally have Valerie (My V1). Upon the forth pass it alerts right until I am about 0.4 miles away from it then I see the stored message along with a beep. On the reverse direction it would alert about 1.3 miles before going altogether. The reverse pass would be considered forward facing radar if you were behind the sign in that direction so everyone is clear on this.
We are now on pass number five and I am traveling at the PSL of 65 MPH set by my cruise control to be fair. As with previous passes about 2.0 miles away it begins spinning which I find was odd since it was only 0.4 when it locked it out. Anyways, I wait until I am 1.0 miles away and I fire a CO stream for 5 seconds. What happened you ask? Well you will find out in two months! Just kidding as I am having some fun with you (needed for a long post such as this you know).
It does alert to my gun at full alert (8 of 8 and solid tone) and lingers for about 8 seconds after having stopped firing my gun. I do the same for the reverse pass and get the same result. Now pass number 6,7,8,9 and 10 are very interesting. On pass six I unlock the K band YSI sign. I get a unlock this signal prompt and press mute to confirm and get signal unlocked. It alerts both ways and I begin pass seven and to my surprise I get stored again along with a beep to confirm. It does it at the same distance of 2.0 miles away. I am confused by this action and begin to think that unlocking a signal stored by auto learn only unlocks it temporarily.
The frequency of the sign was 24.194 according to the 9500ix and my bushnell was at 24.135 so it was a nice 60 Mhz difference. I made a total of 25 passes on both sides and used almost a whole tank of gas just for this testing. No worries though I am happy to do it for my fellow enthusiasts and myself as well. I began by traveling 3.0 miles away from the sign which worked out perfect as there was a legal u turn spot right at 3.0 miles so call it luck for Ace!
The first three passes it alerts about an average distance of 2.0 miles away from the sign. I had it mounted up high and to the left of the RVM where I normally have Valerie (My V1). Upon the forth pass it alerts right until I am about 0.4 miles away from it then I see the stored message along with a beep. On the reverse direction it would alert about 1.3 miles before going altogether. The reverse pass would be considered forward facing radar if you were behind the sign in that direction so everyone is clear on this.
We are now on pass number five and I am traveling at the PSL of 65 MPH set by my cruise control to be fair. As with previous passes about 2.0 miles away it begins spinning which I find was odd since it was only 0.4 when it locked it out. Anyways, I wait until I am 1.0 miles away and I fire a CO stream for 5 seconds. What happened you ask? Well you will find out in two months! Just kidding as I am having some fun with you (needed for a long post such as this you know).
It does alert to my gun at full alert (8 of 8 and solid tone) and lingers for about 8 seconds after having stopped firing my gun. I do the same for the reverse pass and get the same result. Now pass number 6,7,8,9 and 10 are very interesting. On pass six I unlock the K band YSI sign. I get a unlock this signal prompt and press mute to confirm and get signal unlocked. It alerts both ways and I begin pass seven and to my surprise I get stored again along with a beep to confirm. It does it at the same distance of 2.0 miles away. I am confused by this action and begin to think that unlocking a signal stored by auto learn only unlocks it temporarily.
Then again, if a cop hits you with instant on, even with True Lock turned off, or with any detector, you're pretty screwed, no?
Read what this Escort 9500ix user had to say about the GPS TrueLock feature. His Escort 9500ix with TrueLock has blocked out actual police radar 4 out of 6 times when he was in a TrueLock area which is a 66.66% failure rate and a 33.33% success rate.
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...leo-today.html
"I was driving a stretch of road that used to have two K band alerts in less than a mile. Now thanks to trulock, that stretch of road has been quiet for me.
But today it was too quiet. I was almost dead center between the two false alarm locations and noticed my satellite icon was still spinning. (It usually stops for a while in between the two locations.)
I reached up and hit the GPS button to disable GPS features and my ix instantly starts freaking out on K-band. (Very strong signal)
Sure enough, there is a LEO about a block ahead of me waiting to make a u-turn. He made the u-turn and took a side street shortly thereafter. As soon as he turned down the side street the K-band alert stopped and a few seconds after that, the CVS sounded a weak K-band alert as expected.
********As of 1/27/9 My 9500ix has "locked out" 4 LEOs (BAD) and alerted to two K-band LEO's in locked-out locations*************"
http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...leo-today.html
"I was driving a stretch of road that used to have two K band alerts in less than a mile. Now thanks to trulock, that stretch of road has been quiet for me.
But today it was too quiet. I was almost dead center between the two false alarm locations and noticed my satellite icon was still spinning. (It usually stops for a while in between the two locations.)
I reached up and hit the GPS button to disable GPS features and my ix instantly starts freaking out on K-band. (Very strong signal)
Sure enough, there is a LEO about a block ahead of me waiting to make a u-turn. He made the u-turn and took a side street shortly thereafter. As soon as he turned down the side street the K-band alert stopped and a few seconds after that, the CVS sounded a weak K-band alert as expected.
********As of 1/27/9 My 9500ix has "locked out" 4 LEOs (BAD) and alerted to two K-band LEO's in locked-out locations*************"
Originally Posted by djrams80
I just see it like this. Truelock is a filtering mechanism. It's the first false alert eliminator that still allows normal unit sensitivity for all other radar signals. That's revolutionary, but not foolproof. GOL proved this.
Truelock is filtering out a whole lot of false alerts, counting of the fact that it will be difficult for a LEO to accidentally match that frequency block, in that location, undetectable outside that lockout radius and thus far they have been proven right. It has to be difficult, or there would be lots of tickets proving this to be false, but at least at this point, there are still no tickets that we know of. But, this being said, a RD user must understand that with any filtering comes risk. That's just the deal. Since I see almost no K band and absolutely no X band, my risk is almost zero. But, whatever that risk is, I have decided to accept said risk and live with the consequences. The months and years of quietness are worth the risk to me. If it costs me a ticket, then it does. I'm OK with that. Like I've said before, having all these countermeasures will never guarantee me anything, but they do allow me to drive how I like and yet still be in no danger of losing my license. I never expect any of these devices to keep me from ever getting a ticket again. Every one of them can be beat under just the right circumstance.
Truelock is filtering out a whole lot of false alerts, counting of the fact that it will be difficult for a LEO to accidentally match that frequency block, in that location, undetectable outside that lockout radius and thus far they have been proven right. It has to be difficult, or there would be lots of tickets proving this to be false, but at least at this point, there are still no tickets that we know of. But, this being said, a RD user must understand that with any filtering comes risk. That's just the deal. Since I see almost no K band and absolutely no X band, my risk is almost zero. But, whatever that risk is, I have decided to accept said risk and live with the consequences. The months and years of quietness are worth the risk to me. If it costs me a ticket, then it does. I'm OK with that. Like I've said before, having all these countermeasures will never guarantee me anything, but they do allow me to drive how I like and yet still be in no danger of losing my license. I never expect any of these devices to keep me from ever getting a ticket again. Every one of them can be beat under just the right circumstance.
I understand its weaknesses, as well as its strengths. In my opinion, its strengths far out weigh its weaknesses. I am comfortable with the risk, and I am confident that I can use True Lock safely. Your mileage may vary. You don't need to agree with me, I don't need to agree with you. You are just as welcome to avoid True Lock as I am to embrace it. I have two cars, one with True Lock, one without. I wish both had it.
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04-19-2009, 02:37 PM
#135
04-20-2009, 07:39 AM
I know you're a big fan of testing, and that sure makes sense. What in your mind is the definition of a 'working jammer'?